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boostfedbrz 07-17-2019 01:45 PM

I don’t owe anyone any money. For the last time, I’m not Pete. Whatever though. Y’all have fun playing forum detective.

weederr33 07-17-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by boostfedbrz (Post 3237938)
I don’t owe anyone any money. For the last time, I’m not Pete. Whatever though. Y’all have fun playing forum detective.

Oh we will, Pete. We will.

Anal0g 07-17-2019 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3236342)
Thank You for that nugget of info! I'll research that process!

If you could DM me any helpful info or insight on that process I would greatly appreciate it.


**As of 7/12/19 still no word back from Peter Kang or Works Motorsports on this matter**

Have you also considered posting on other platforms (e.g. YouTube) or creating a static web site that documents what you're going through?

I would think something like YouTube would allow you to reach and inform a wider audience of what happened, the small claims court process, and how payments work post-judgement. It would also expose at least one instance of how they handled issues with a customer and their /sarcasm on awesome PR representative /sarcasm off.

Not only would their financial credit score be damaged, but it would potentially also affect their reputation (or social credit score).

I'm assuming that as long as you stick to the facts and allow people to formulate their own opinions based on an objective presentation, that'd be enough; however, I'd recommend consulting a legal expert before moving forward.

As for a static web site, with SEO optimization, you could potentially have your page be the first hit when someone searches for the following terms: "Works MotorSports CARB legal turbo". When that comes up, potential customers can read the information on your site and make their own decision if they want to give them their business.

I realize the web site idea is additional (recurring) cost on your end, but there may members on here who'd be willing to help pitch in and write the code for you.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-17-2019 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boostfedbrz (Post 3237938)
I don’t owe anyone any money. For the last time, I’m not Pete. Whatever though. Y’all have fun playing forum detective.

You claimed someone lost their job and couldn't pay for something, then you were proved wrong, and when you were asked for proof about something couldn't do so. Now you're whining and trying to attack everyone lmao

If that's not trolling idk what is.

ybotspawn 07-17-2019 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 3238132)
You claimed someone lost their job and couldn't pay for something, then you were proved wrong, and when you were asked for proof about something couldn't do so. Now you're whining and trying to attack everyone lmao

If that's not trolling idk what is.

Remember paid shill not troll..... Difference is he's like a troll for hire.

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Tcoat 07-18-2019 08:47 AM

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Remember paid shill not troll..... Difference is he's like a troll for hire.

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ybotspawn 07-18-2019 09:17 PM

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HyE 07-22-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3236342)
Thank You for that nugget of info! I'll research that process!

If you could DM me any helpful info or insight on that process I would greatly appreciate it.


**As of 7/12/19 still no word back from Peter Kang or Works Motorsports on this matter**

Anything new? I realize it's only been 10 days since but it seems to be well within the allotted 2 weeks. If you want to keep your cards close to the chest I get it.

Sonic23 07-23-2019 01:23 PM

On the surface, this ordeal is sad for the 86 community and seems fairly lengthy and thorough. But we've only heard one side of the story so there's probably more here than meets the eye with what's been presented thus far.

As an avid car and racing junkie in the bay area for 12 years, I've only heard good things about Works being very nice and professional amongst my track friends and canyon carvers. Since I plan on adding significant power and better handling to my BRZ soon, I'm especially curious about the whole story. And I can't think of other companies who manufacture legitimate, CARB legal parts in northern California.

One thing that does bother me considerably is TachyonBomb's/xtra_slw's unashamed racism and unprofessionalism on Instagram. I'm not Asian or a minority but this is completely unacceptable, repulsive and goes way beyond some unemployed kid with money problems with way too much time on his hands.
Racists have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question his character.

spike021 07-23-2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic23 (Post 3240201)
On the surface, this ordeal is sad for the 86 community and seems fairly lengthy and thorough. But we've only heard one side of the story so there's probably more here than meets the eye with what's been presented thus far.

As an avid car and racing junkie in the bay area for 12 years, I've only heard good things about Works being very nice and professional amongst my track friends and canyon carvers. Since I plan on adding significant power and better handling to my BRZ soon, I'm especially curious about the whole story. And I can't think of other companies who manufacture legitimate, CARB legal parts in northern California.

One thing that does bother me considerably is TachyonBomb's/xtra_slw's unashamed racism and unprofessionalism on Instagram. I'm not Asian or a minority but this is completely unacceptable, repulsive and goes way beyond some unemployed kid with money problems with way too much time on his hands.
Racists have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question his character.

You know what's been asked for a few times in this thread? For the other side to present their side of it.

I just bolded something from your post. Let me finish it. One thing that does bother me considerably is that you took the time to put @TachyonBomb on blast for two very malicious reasons, and yet you took absolutely zero time to provide evidence of him expressing either of them.

You say he's shown unashamed racism and unprofessionalism. Where's the racism? I actually followed him on IG long before this whole conflict started, and I have a pretty hard stance on people who are racist. I've never seen anything of the sort. If I had, I'd have the same opinion against him. But I haven't.

Liars have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question your character.

So, if you have evidence of anything other than your own words, please present them. Otherwise you're now just falsely shaming TachyonBomb.

DandoX 07-23-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic23 (Post 3240201)
Racists have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question his character.


I agree with @spike021, you gotta provide some screen shots or something to prove what your saying. Also this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual issue where he allowed them to use his car and then this situation happened. Him being a Nazi or racist or a cannibal doesn't really have baring on the discussion other than to attack his character. Which coming from someone with such few posts since 2012 is suspect, you gotta provide something more than just slandering words.

I agree racists have no place in our community, but neither do liars or slanderers, no one wants our community to feel like a middle school.

Also as @spike021 said Works was called out more than once to come share their side of the story, they didn't. Also an appointed judge listened to both sides of the story and sided with the OP. Many of us would like to hear both sides but without Works willing to weigh in we are just left to one side of the story and a Judgement in favor of the OP.

VIP BRZ 07-23-2019 05:53 PM

I believe he is referring to this exchange..

https://scontent-sin6-2.cdninstagram...ninstagram.com

childish.. yes. but still no reason to withhold legally owed debt.

weederr33 07-23-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VIP BRZ (Post 3240326)
I believe he is referring to this exchange..

https://scontent-sin6-2.cdninstagram...ninstagram.com

childish.. yes. but still no reason to withhold legally owed debt.

Lawl that was a classic

WORKS 07-23-2019 08:57 PM

While we hoped to avoid having to comment on this thread, after receiving negative feedback on various platforms from a few fellow 86 enthusiasts who took everything stated in this thread at face value, we’d like to share our side of this unfortunate situation.

After 8 months of R&D, (which began when the turbo kit deposit was placed in November). - we simply charged Steven to 1. install a complete Stage II turbocharger kit with extra parts and 2. uninstall the entire kit and put everything back to stock (27 total hours of labor) totally at his own request. He had unexpectedly lost his job and said he needed to sell the car. We felt bad for him and only charged $2K to cover our costs and decided NOT to charge him anything for the $4K pile of installed (used) turbo parts we were stuck with.

At the time Steven had ordered us to remove the kit, it was already COMPLETED and ready to be calibrated. The car was in our dyno queue scheduled to be tuned and delivered the following week.

Throughout the development, we did our best to help Steven in any way we could. We generously offered him a long-term, interest free loan/payment plan after hearing of his hardship, loaned him our modified FR-S indefinitely, and even helped him try to find a new job.

During this time, Steven allowed others to drive our FR-S without authorization. He even used it as a teaching platform for his girlfriend to learn how to drive stick (and posted on YouTube) – potentially compromising the brand new performance clutch.

He dropped off our FR-S, picked up his car in good spirits, and even hung-out talking cars. A few months later we were sucker punched when blindsided with a lawsuit in consumer-friendly CA for $10,800 (the max allowable in small claims is $10k). $8k more than he had originally paid. Once the judgment was made, we promptly made payment arrangements with the court (nearly a month ago on June 28th). Steven has not acknowledged this fact.

We still feel justified that anyone should be responsible for any work that they specifically request, with or without personal hardship.
It's in every enthusiast's best interest to fairly support local performance shops and product manufacturers to keep the passion alive. Nobody is getting rich in this industry as it's purely a labor of love for cars and our fellow enthusiasts.



To summarize:

- Steven never received a kit ONLY because he requested we uninstall it (after he lost his job and stated he needed to sell his car) one week before delivery.

- He then blindly took us to court in which he demanded $8k more than the amount paid.

- When the consumer friendly judgement was made, we promptly filed for formal payment arrangements with the court (nearly a month ago) - Which has yet to be acknowledged.


We hope all of you who have followed and contributed to this thread consider both sides before making any final judgements.

All the best,

- WORKS Team



In response to the last few comments, Steven did in fact post libel and racist content on his Instagram profile in hopes to defame WORKS. Our cease and desist letter mentioned earlier in this thread is still active and has yet to be adhered to.

We appreciate your concerns and If you have any specific questions, feel free to contact us directly.

TachyonBomb 07-23-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3240335)
Lawl that was a classic

Wasn't it though! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Sonic23 (Post 3240201)
One thing that does bother me considerably is TachyonBomb's/xtra_slw's unashamed racism and unprofessionalism on Instagram. I'm not Asian or a minority but this is completely unacceptable, repulsive and goes way beyond some unemployed kid with money problems with way too much time on his hands.
Racists have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question his character.

Not Asian or a minority but the entitlemen to speak on their behalf was just boiling over lol.

It was a more of a Foghorn Leghorn southern reference. But since a couple of millennials have no clue about any cartoon characters before sponge bob or the 90's a hand full of youngsters took it as racist.

Think shady southern used car sales man.

If an Chinese accent came up in your inner monologue while reading that meme, then it more so speaks to you and how you box in races. Comedy/satire is an art and you got challenged by it.

I highly suggest you stay away from stand up comics like Richard Pryor, Bill Maher or Dave Chappelle if loose language easily offends you.

TachyonBomb 07-23-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
While we hoped to avoid having to comment on this thread, after receiving negative feedback on various platforms from a few fellow 86 enthusiasts who took everything stated in this thread at face value, we’d like to share our side of this unfortunate situation.

After 8 months of R&D, (which began when the turbo kit deposit was placed in November). - we simply charged Steven to 1. install a complete Stage II turbocharger kit with extra parts and 2. uninstall the entire kit and put everything back to stock (27 total hours of labor) totally at his own request. He had unexpectedly lost his job and said he needed to sell the car. We felt bad for him and only charged $2K to cover our costs and decided NOT to charge him anything for the $4K pile of installed (used) turbo parts we were stuck with.

At the time Steven had ordered us to remove the kit, it was already COMPLETED and ready to be calibrated. The car was in our dyno queue scheduled to be tuned and delivered the following week.

Throughout the development, we did our best to help Steven in any way we could. We generously offered him a long-term, interest free loan/payment plan after hearing of his hardship, loaned him our modified FR-S indefinitely, and even helped him try to find a new job.

During this time, Steven allowed others to drive our FR-S without authorization. He even used it as a teaching platform for his girlfriend to learn how to drive stick (and posted on YouTube) – potentially compromising the brand new performance clutch.

He dropped off our FR-S, picked up his car in good spirits, and even hung-out talking cars. A few months later we were sucker punched when blindsided with a lawsuit in consumer-friendly CA for $10,800 (the max allowable in small claims is $10k). $8k more than he had originally paid. Once the judgment was made, we promptly made payment arrangements with the court (nearly a month ago on June 28th). Steven has not acknowledged this fact.

We still feel justified that anyone should be responsible for any work that they specifically request, with or without personal hardship.
It's in every enthusiast's best interest to fairly support local performance shops and product manufacturers to keep the passion alive. Nobody is getting rich in this industry as it's purely a labor of love for cars and our fellow enthusiasts.



To summarize:

- Steven never received a kit ONLY because he requested we uninstall it (after he lost his job and stated he needed to sell his car) one week before delivery.

- He then blindly took us to court in which he demanded $8k more than the amount paid.

- When the consumer friendly judgement was made, we promptly filed for formal payment arrangements with the court (nearly a month ago) - Which has yet to be acknowledged.


We hope all of you who have followed and contributed to this thread consider both sides before making any final judgements.

All the best,

- WORKS Team



In response to the last few comments, Steven did in fact post libel and racist content on his Instagram profile in hopes to defame WORKS. Our cease and desist letter mentioned earlier in this thread is still active and has yet to be adhered to.

We appreciate your concerns and If you have any specific questions, feel free to contact us directly.


Did you make your first payment of $450 on July 20th?

https://i.imgur.com/9V22G7g.jpg

extrashaky 07-23-2019 11:52 PM

I'm curious about a few things.

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
After 8 months of R&D, (which began when the turbo kit deposit was placed in November).

First, did you tell him you expected R&D to take three months?

Second, if you didn't start working on the turbo kit until November, what were you doing with his car from July to November?

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
At the time Steven had ordered us to remove the kit, it was already COMPLETED and ready to be calibrated. The car was in our dyno queue scheduled to be tuned and delivered the following week.

A lot of vendors like to take copious pictures of the development of their products, to document the development and for marketing purposes.

Do you have any pics of a functional turbo kit installed on his car?

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
Once the judgment was made, we promptly made payment arrangements with the court (nearly a month ago on June 28th).

It says on that form that the judgment was entered 5/29. The payment arrangements are dated 6/28. That's 30 days. If I understand correctly, you waited until the very last day.

Is that considered prompt? Or would that be considered last minute?

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
We still feel justified that anyone should be responsible for any work that they specifically request, with or without personal hardship.

So you didn't make that post looking to borrow a car for development?

PMok 07-24-2019 02:52 PM

Look, I don't know anything about the actual dispute between WORKS and TachyonBomb and won't comment too much about that. But I do want to address the points made about racism and unprofessionalism.

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Originally Posted by Sonic23 (Post 3240201)
One thing that does bother me considerably is TachyonBomb's/xtra_slw's unashamed racism and unprofessionalism on Instagram. I'm not Asian or a minority but this is completely unacceptable, repulsive and goes way beyond some unemployed kid with money problems with way too much time on his hands.
Racists have no place in our cherished car community and this alone makes me question his character.

Thank you for saying what I think many of us were thinking but didn't say. When I first saw TachyonBomb's IG post I was immediately put off by what I felt was offensive and childish. And like you said, regardless of whether he was in the right in this dispute, it made me question his judgment and his credibility.

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Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3240389)
Not Asian or a minority but the entitlemen to speak on their behalf was just boiling over lol.

It was a more of a Foghorn Leghorn southern reference. But since a couple of millennials have no clue about any cartoon characters before sponge bob or the 90's a hand full of youngsters took it as racist.

Think shady southern used car sales man.

If an Chinese accent came up in your inner monologue while reading that meme, then it more so speaks to you and how you box in races. Comedy/satire is an art and you got challenged by it.

I highly suggest you stay away from stand up comics like Richard Pryor, Bill Maher or Dave Chappelle if loose language easily offends you.

OK, so now I'm an Asian-American, a minority, and a non-millennial who is probably older than you. I remember Foghorn Leghorn pretty clearly. And when I saw a photo of an Asian man (presumably it's Peter Kang), along with the caption "Herro", no I did not read it as a Foghorn Leghorn reference. I don't know how anyone would see an image of an Asian man, see the word "Herro", and make that connection to a Southern reference. I read it immediately as a racist caricature of an Asian man. To me, it reminded me of the portrayal of Kim Jong Il from "Team America". Which don't get me wrong, was a hilarious movie ... but that didn't change the fact that it was a racist portrayal of an Asian. And that offended me on some level. Not because I'm easily offended, but because as a minority, I've experienced racism first hand. I've had people mock me based on how I look, making fun of my race, using bad accents to 'impersonate' me or my ethnicity even though I speak perfectly good English. And throwaway comments like yours reopen a wound that maybe has not entirely healed.

You can play it off as a lighthearted attempt at humor or satire, but I wanted to tell you that from my perspective it fell flat, was offensive, and made you lose credibility. Up until that moment, I was on your side, having been in a similar situation where I turned my car over to a company, hoping to help them out in developing a product, and my car ended up damaged and the company was unwilling to take responsibility for it. You had in my mind a winning case, you just needed to present your facts and win. But your IG post showed a vindictive, immature, unprofessional side that turned me off. Tell me this, would you have presented that image in court to the judge? Did you think it would help you win the case? I don't think so, and you know that too.

TL;DR version -- you think you're being funny but you just ended up pissing off or offending some people. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you didn't see it as being so offensive and don't understand why it would be. But I'm telling you, in the hopes that you realize that what you said/did in some small way had a negative effect and maybe you will learn something for your future interactions with people.

ermax 07-24-2019 04:51 PM

My next door neighbor and close friend is Asian-American and jokes around saying herro all the time. I think some people go out of their way to take offense to literally anything.

pgranberg11 07-24-2019 06:10 PM

posts about racism.. really? I'm half Asian. I'm 25, considered a millennial. I don't follow him, but when I saw that picture I didn't take offense at all. I would love to see these people in a halo 2 gaming room chat. Wouldn't even stand a chance. I guess it's just how people view things a certain way and what each person's tolerance level is. some low. some high.

regardless, back on topic. I think @extrashaky has some good points...

xPBx 07-24-2019 06:55 PM

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EAGLE5 07-24-2019 07:05 PM

I'm shocked, shocked! that there is asshole behavior by OP.

And just because your a "friend of an Asian" or half-Asian and aren't offended doesn't, or because you've seen worse shit in a Halo 2 lobby, doesn't mean that shit isn't blatantly racist and blatantly asshole.

Foghorn Leghorn? Da fuq?

And whenever I see feuds on the internet, I like to just step back and not form an opinion because I'M SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT SEEING THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY.

I did have a PM exchange with Harry from WORKS a few years, discussing a pre-release turbo kit at discount in exchange for some testing and leaving the car there for a bit longer than normal. I ended up deciding against this because I decided against a turbo, but he answered every question I had and spelled everything out clearly.

A nightmare customer is a person one or two small mistakes, that you as a business owner do your best to fix, away from an internet tirade.

soundman98 07-24-2019 10:29 PM

i had a black co-worker once. it means that i can talk openly about rap music now.

TachyonBomb 07-25-2019 12:10 AM

My DM box is always open on here and on instagram to anyone that wants to have a real conversation.

Grand standing and victimizing on a public thread whether here or on an instagram post does not really do much to make any real change on the topic of racism or any other topic you are wanting to have a serious discussion about.

If you feel genuinely hurt or offended please feel free to leave me a message and strike up a conversation on your concerns. Who knows you may even make a new friend out of what seemed like a negative situation.

I know getting personal and doing the one on one connecting thing is hard now a days but I've always been the type of person to be proactive when it comes to tackling an issue life throws your way. Just like on instagram, I have taken the first steps and made contact with those who showed a genuine offence to something they saw posted on the internet.

Anyone that knows me in person knows the type of person I am. I can be a crass asshole which is a byproduct of all my life struggles but heartless, closed off or not understanding of others feelings if definitely not in my wheel house.

There is no reason to pollute a perfectly good thread which serves as a teaching tool to hand walk the California 86 community through a small claims suit. A large part of this community is young. They don't understand that they have rights and options to take when a shop or any business has taken advantage of them. I was screwed over by a couple of shops when I was around 18 years old and 20 years old. The experience left a sour taste in my mouth, almost made me leave the car enthusiast community all together and left me a few grand short each time. I'm older wiser and no longer take shit from anyone. I figured it would save a lot of the young adults in the community a lot of headache and money to know how to go through this process in case they were ever to find themselves in a similar situation. This sort of teaching experience doesn't come around often and is rarely laid out so thoroughly.

^_^ So if anyone has any issue with me or my actions outside of the context of my small claims case with Peter Kang & Works Motorsports, please feel free to DM me. I'm extremely easy to talk to and open to just about any subject matter. Anyone that has had a DM conversation with me on here or in person can confirm.

Any comments made on this thread which try to tackle a subject outside the scope of my small claims case with Peter Kang or Works Motorsports will be disregarded.

mav1178 07-25-2019 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3240383)
A few months later we were sucker punched when blindsided with a lawsuit in consumer-friendly CA

I want to believe, but I just have one question:

Do you think you were right and OP was wrong?

If so (and assuming you have the evidence), find a better lawyer. Your lawyer sucks.

86MLR 07-25-2019 04:21 AM

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I'm amazed people can post what they want with no real comeback, I believe the OP could be liable for defamation.

I'm not saying either party is right or wrong, but there has definitely been enough to start a defamation case.

I know this thread would be shut down quick in other forums.

It's not like the post is about a faulty part, lets say, like a weld that cracked, or a bolt on part that didn't bolt on.

All this thread has is one person view vs anothers, yes a legal document was produced, but, only from one party, which means nothing.

I could say that a company was good without ever going there, or, say they are bad because I'm mentally unstable or vindictive about something.

The OP is a liar

Works is a liar

I'm a liar

Your a liar

Oprah says, "your all liars"



My recommendation is let the courts decide and keep the he said she said claims for the school play ground.

Pwolf 07-25-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3240829)
Grand standing and victimizing on a public thread whether here or on an instagram post does not really do much to make any real change on the topic of racism or any other topic you are wanting to have a serious discussion about.


Says the guy who openly, and publicly bashing someone else in this thread and on his IG account. Wither or not you think its racist doesn't matter... You're attacking someone publicly and now asking other people to shoot you a DM if they want to talk cause they're calling you names? Go fuck yourself.

weederr33 07-25-2019 01:26 PM

Wow this thread went south quick. Sounds like typical internet. Point being, OP won the case. If he got a cease and desist letter, I'm certain Works would have brought up the posts from Instagram and use that in court to their advantage. OP still won. It's time to move on and let this be a cautionary tale for anyone in the future.

Tcoat 07-25-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3240993)
Wow this thread went south quick. Sounds like typical internet. Point being, OP won the case. If he got a cease and desist letter, I'm certain Works would have brought up the posts from Instagram and use that in court to their advantage. OP still won. It's time to move on and let this be a cautionary tale for anyone in the future.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5fe0...temid=11629344

weederr33 07-25-2019 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3241003)

That sums it up pretty well!

ichitaka05 07-25-2019 02:03 PM

K, show is over. Let's move on now, don't wanna make this thread into shit show, so I'll close it.


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