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Is the Toyota 86 a “safe” buy?
Hi, I am looking to purchase my first Toyota 86, however I have just learnt about the recall for 2012 - 2013 models. I have 3 questions.
1. Should I absolutely avoid buying the 2012/2013 model of the 86 even if it’s had its recall done? 2. Is the 2014+ model safe from the issue that caused the recall, and is it a “safe” buy? I will be buying pre owned and only looking at ones under 100,000km. Forgive me if this isn’t the right section of the forum for this. |
yeah just make sure you check the oil frequently, she drinks a lot
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My car never leaked or consumed a drop of oil between 22,000 miles when I bought it and 56,000 miles today. The car is perfectly sound, I wouldn't hesitate to buy any model year. Any cars that were going to be affected by that recall likely were affected in the first few thousand miles.
Buy an unmodified example and do your research on the history of the vehicle. It's a very good car when taken care of, like most vehicles. Don't fear |
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I have an April 2012 production 2013 MY that has ~ 65000 kms.
Yeah the engine absolutely implodes every kilometer. There is a trail of nuts and bolts down the street where I drive. When I do eventually sell the car I am hoping someone will accept a personal cheque as payment for removal. It got all the more worse when i slapped on a supercharger and coilovers since the car is loud and clunky too. But it is fast as shit. And I have had 1 repair, replace starter motor. I fried it previously trying to crank the engine with the belt held tight by a seized supercharger. It lasted as few months after that. Seriously, my car has been great with a leaky taillight as the only warranty complaint and I have decided to hold off on the recall job for now since the dealer wants to charge extra to work on my supercharged engine even though the de-cluttering will actually hugely speed up the job. The springs had plenty of time to fail, so clearly mine aren't faulty. And resale value only matters if you plan to sell. I'd like to tuck this one into a barn one day. |
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bottom line is check your oil regularly no matter what! |
Thanks for the replies so far, everyone. It seems like it has been overhyped. The car I am looking at had had 60,000 kms done.
Now, if I am still paranoid about this potential issue, is it a safe bet just to go with a 2014 model or above? That will rule out that issue yes? |
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you should be fine, its a great car and handles good. Make sure to check the car fax;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The 2014 model year and newer are not affected by the present valve spring recall. My 2013 FR-S has 25,000 miles on it and is under the valve spring recall, however, I'm not going to have it done. Why not? If it ain't broke by now, I ain't gonna let them break it. I suggest you just pick one that hasn't been molested, leave it that way and just enjoy driving it. humfrz |
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For resale, I would not buy anything with this valve spring recall. I'm not saying they will implode, but if I was looking for a used twin I would not buy anything which within the valve spring recall. Will this effect used prices, unknown, but better safe than sorry. In saying that, you could use the recall as bargaining leverage, in the end, how many valve springs failed? Whilst there is still risk with a car that hasn't had the recall work, it is a minimal risk. There is apparently more risk if the car has had the recall due to overuse or improper use of sealant, I would not touch a car that had just had the recall work, although only a slight risk, it could be a ticking time bomb. The only people who would disagree would be the current owners of cars within the recall. Opinions may vary As for modifications, the only 3 war stoppers for me would be: 1. Any car that had FI, it is so easy to hurt the engine. 2. any car that has seen a track, or autocross circuit. 3. cars lowered more than 30mm. There are plenty of stock or well modified cars out there. Have your cash in your pocket and low ball away, the worst is they say no, the best is you score a bargain |
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2013, hitting 70k miles this year, still running strong!
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Not all 2013 MY have the spring recall, check the VIN first, and like any other sporty car: look for unmodified, maintenance records, and low miles.
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If the spring recall was done at least 2000 miles ago, it will be fine, all failures with the recall service seemed to occur within 500 miles of getting the service done. If I were you though, I'd eat the extra cost of a 2014 or 15 model year car because other common issues were resolved in those model years but if you are getting a particularly good deal on a 13, I wouldn't turn it down based on being a MY13 alone.
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My 14 Monogram Edition has a 1-14 build date. I've put about 8,000 miles on it and the odometer is now about 37,000. I've changed oil twice at about 3500 and didn't notice any significant consumption. However I just discovered a front timing-cover leak. I have only 3-400 miles on it since I cleaned the cover, and no oil on the garage floor yet. I canceled plans to install my new oil cooler last weekend because of the leak. I'll drop the pan in about 1000 miles and see how much oil I'll find at the leak spot.
Other than that, the car has been totally reliable and lots of fun to drive. I don't plan to go FI because of the reliability factor, but do plan a header and tune. That'll pretty much be it for mods. I tend to keep cars for a long time, so if I don't run into an irresistible deal on a Cayman or something similar, I'll probably have the 86 for many years. |
I consider this car reliable, and that's coming from someone who lost an engine at 64,000 miles from a fluke failure of the oil pump gear. I would 100% buy this car again.
However, personally I'd stay away from the ones subject to the recall if I intended to rely on the car as my only transportation. There seems to be an issue with the recall work itself sometimes causing more problems than it fixes. The 2014 and later models are not significantly more expensive than the 2013 models, so there doesn't seem to be much of a downside to just restricting your search to the cars made after the batch with the questionable valve springs. Quote:
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My general impression (which could be wrong) is that the ones that leak or burn oil generally have either been opened up for service at some point or modded in such a manner that has caused some unusual wear. If I bought a used one that hadn't been modded or beat to shit, I wouldn't expect the heavy oil consumption the Impreza guys are always complaining about. |
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I had to resort to swapping my engine since I didn’t realize how low my oil was and blew a bearing. Already had 80k on it, might as well get a newer engine Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Consumption has dropped to about one quart per 5k miles since I switched to 0W-30 oil... Back to OP's question, if you are getting an M/T, you might want to get a 2017+ due to throw out bearing issues ($800 repair). The TOB was updated in MY2017 cars. But OTOH I haven't had any issues after replacement. |
Short answer, yes.
Long answer, Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss. |
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My car has never lost so much as a drop of oil so this is another thing that seems to be really hit and miss. |
I wouldn't touch one that has had the recall done.
If it hasn't been done then you can buy it, but don't do the recall, there is no need for it. |
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