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Tokay444 04-11-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3206013)
On a serious question why would you not consider dg-5. It has been stated to be the best coilover anyone has ever used not just a fanboy like myself but so many people

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11847

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:

Price goes up from here, if you want 4 way adjustability.
https://www.counterspacegarage.com/p...g-brz-frs-gt86

https://www.penskeshocks.com/product...-2013-present/

You can also have dampers built to your very own spec, for upt to $10,000.00 per corner.

Tcoat 04-11-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3206164)
Wait, this derp drives a Prius?

Only those in California will understand. The rest of us don't know shit about the car scene.

BigTuna 04-11-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3206035)
They are pretty much on par with my 57DR's which are just a cast knock off TE37 too :cry: People mistake the DR's all the time as reps because they look dual drilled though they are good enough for the girls I go out with.

Is this an AvE reference?




The rest of this thread is not worth responding to.

RayRay88 04-11-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3205913)
The market has really changed a lot over the years. trying to stay with all quality Japanese parts used to be a thing but instead of pride in the car all people care about is price

WUT?


People still care about quality. The problem is Japan is not the final stop for quality anymore. The world has moved on and found the truth thanks to globalization. You're the only one stuck 90's/00's fast and the furious fantasy world.



Also "assembled in XXX" is not a thing. Most countries have laws that allow for last value added and assembly of parts from foreign countries to count as "Made in XXX". You seem to have very limited knowledge about the manufacturing sector, so your attitude towards "JDM vs the world" comes as no surprise.

RayRay88 04-11-2019 09:46 AM

GERMANS USING CDM DAMPERS??? BLASPHEMY.


Le Mans winning, and arguably the fastest thing on 4 wheels (including F1) Porsche 919 LMP1


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dec18fHW0AA6y-W.jpg

Tcoat 04-11-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RayRay88 (Post 3206175)
GERMANS USING CDM DAMPERS??? BLASPHEMY.


Le Mans winning, and arguably the fastest thing on 4 wheels (including F1) Porsche 919 LMP1


What do they know? They put it in sideways.

NoHaveMSG 04-11-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna (Post 3206171)
Is this an AvE reference?

Uncle bumblefuck is good for the occasional clever idiom. Plenty to borrow from as I am not too good at coming up with my own:bonk:

DM7 04-11-2019 01:12 PM

Here's a shop tour of the Fortune Auto facility.

@Tcoat Host of this video speaks Canadian well; hope that helps.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqHg_Gf7JSo[/ame]

DM7 04-11-2019 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RayRay88 (Post 3206175)
GERMANS USING CDM DAMPERS??? BLASPHEMY.


Le Mans winning, and arguably the fastest thing on 4 wheels (including F1) Porsche 919 LMP1

I can't help myself if we're going to talk about Multimatic.

In 2000 Multimatic Motorsports won their class in the Le Mans 24. Since then pretty much the entire field of prototype race cars in the WEC use Multimatic DSSV dampers.

In Formula 1 Red Bull used Multimatic dampers and won 4 drivers championship titles in a row. Mclaren also a customer.

In IMSA the Mazda prototype is using a Multimatic chassis.

In GTLM/GTE Multimatic is heavily involved in the Ford GT race program. Multimatic builds the Ford GT in Markham Canada. Needless to say the Ford GT race and road cars use DSSV dampers.

In GT3 the AMG GT GT3 runs DSSV and Multimatic manages the AMG spares program at races.

In GT4 Multimatic builds the Mustang GT4 race cars.

Mazda MX-5 Cup switched from Penske dampers to DSSV when the ND MX-5 came out.

RayRay88 04-11-2019 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DM7 (Post 3206308)
I can't help myself if we're going to talk about Multimatic.

In 2000 Multimatic Motorsports won their class in the Le Mans 24. Since then pretty much the entire field of prototype race cars in the WEC use Multimatic DSSV dampers.

In Formula 1 Red Bull used Multimatic dampers and won 4 drivers championship titles in a row. Mclaren also a customer.

In IMSA the Mazda prototype is using a Multimatic chassis.

In GTLM/GTE Multimatic is heavily involved in the Ford GT race program. Multimatic builds the Ford GT in Markham Canada. Needless to say the Ford GT race and road cars use DSSV dampers.

In GT3 the AMG GT GT3 runs DSSV and Multimatic manages the AMG spares program at races.

In GT4 Multimatic builds the Mustang GT4 race cars.

Mazda MX-5 Cup switched from Penske dampers to DSSV when the ND MX-5 came out.


IMO they're a beacon of Canadian excellence and engineering. Right up there with Magna and exceeding them in terms of motorsports.


Now talk about their carbon/monocoque work. :drool:

Tokay444 04-11-2019 01:55 PM

Yup, but they're not HKS so OP has NCE.

JCW 86 04-11-2019 03:42 PM

I think the results speak for themselves. If you follow time-attack you should know who Will Au-Yeung is and that he's sponsored by FA.

https://www.motul.com/kh/en/news/eve...eats-the-clock

Going to Japan and beating the Japanese...HKS no less

x808drifter 04-11-2019 03:48 PM

The only question I ask OP is does he rep either of these stickers?
Please reply yes or no.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...k/IMG_1239.jpg

Tokay444 04-11-2019 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JCW 86 (Post 3206403)
I think the results speak for themselves. If you follow time-attack you should know who Will Au-Yeung is and that he's sponsored by FA.

https://www.motul.com/kh/en/news/eve...eats-the-clock

Going to Japan and beating the Japanese...HKS no less

Will can be fast on anything, and World Time Attack, although hugely exciting, and Will is my boy, is ameteure bush league racing.
I often wonder how fast he'd be with an unlimited budget.

JCW 86 04-11-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3206420)
Will can be fast on anything, and World Time Attack, although hugely exciting, and Will is my boy, is ameteure bush league racing.
I often wonder how fast he'd be with an unlimited budget.

That's exactly the point I'm making. He's some privateer guy with a limited budget (like most time attack guys) going up against and beating a highly regarded Japanese tuning company who built a car specifically to beat the FWD Tsukuba record. Plus he beat the HKS record by over two seconds. On a track like Tsukuba, that's light years ahead.

EDIT: I guess what I'm getting at is even though something's Japanese or made by a Japanese company, it doesn't make it better than anything else

mav1178 04-11-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 3205652)
It's almost like the companies based out of Japan wanted a US headquarters that was near a major airport and port with the shortest distance to Japan...

Most people forget that Japanese companies based operations on the west coast primarily because back in the 1970s and 1980s planes only flew as far as Hawaii or LA/SF on a single flight. Their US HQ were based here for convenience.

Now, nonstop flights from anywhere in the US to Asia is SOP, so there was no longer a motivation to have it based on the west coast. Plus, with most of the manufacturing spread out all over the continental US, a HQ in the middle somewhere makes more sense if you want to do business.

mav1178 04-11-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3206028)
I've never heard of Mach 5 but from the quick search I did of them it looks like a replica company where they're most popular will is a copy of the 5zigen fn01rc from 2003.

Saying you are picking a Mach V wheel vs te37 isn't exactly even a fair comparison especially when they are two different price points let alone cast vs forged.


That's like saying I totally would have went for the Ferrari but then I want to support my local Honda dealer


Just based on this post alone, I'd say you have no idea what you are talking about.

As someone who worked at 5Zigen from 1999 to 2005, you have no idea what it means to "own" a wheel design versus contract work.

5Zigen never truly owned the mold to that wheel. The factory that made it for them in Taiwan gave them exclusive rights to that mold as long as contractual obligations were met. After ~2006 the market started drying up for these types of wheels so the contract basically ended, and other companies came onto the market buying from that same factory with different logos.

The rest of the stuff you've posted in this thread shows how easily good marketing can influence end user buying decision. Many posts from you show a lack of understanding of the difference between a brand (that outsources), a brand (that produces its own products), an official/exclusive importer, and a distributor.

-alex

Tk rocket 04-11-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by x808drifter (Post 3206405)
The only question I ask OP is does he rep either of these stickers?
Please reply yes or no.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...k/IMG_1239.jpg

No sir. I'm a jdm fan boy but a huge hater of so many trends:
New driver symbol
Roof racks
Canibeat, illest, supreme. Etc. Stickers
Sticker bombing
Ig handle decal
"Jdm" tow hooks
Rocket bunny flares
Liberty walk flares
Chasis mount wings (most cases)
Camo wraps
Catch phrase stickers "twerk it, send nudes" etc.
Long spiked lug nuts

I'm sure there is more but can't think of anymore

Tokay444 04-11-2019 04:45 PM

A self proclaimed JDM fanboi, that doesn't actually know what JDM means. Imagine my shock.
Guess what. Something can be produced for the Japanese Domestic Market outside of Japan, just like USDM cars can be made in Japan and send to the US.

J1Avs 04-11-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3206435)
No sir. I'm a jdm fan boy but a huge hater of so many trends:
New driver symbol
Roof racks
Canibeat, illest, supreme. Etc. Stickers
Sticker bombing
Ig handle decal
"Jdm" tow hooks
Rocket bunny flares
Liberty walk flares
Chasis mount wings (most cases)
Camo wraps
Catch phrase stickers "twerk it, send nudes" etc.
Long spiked lug nuts

I'm sure there is more but can't think of anymore

You do know tow hooks are functional for the track, right? They aren’t a style item, except for people who decided they wanted to look like they track.

Also roof racks are widely functional for anyone who DD’s their car and also likes the great outdoors, which is why you see them on so many WRX’s. Race it at the track and take it on a camping trip.

I learned something new though - even tow hooks are “JDM”!

Chassis-mounted wings - also functional.

On a completely different note, you do realize Supreme is an NYC-based company, right? It has absolutely, literally, nothing to do with “JDM”.

pillbox 04-11-2019 05:23 PM

After reading this thread, I've decided to buy my third set of FA coils.

x808drifter 04-11-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by J1Avs (Post 3206444)
You do know tow hooks are functional for the track, right? They aren’t a style item, except for people who decided they wanted to look like they track.

Also roof racks are widely functional for anyone who DD’s their car and also likes the great outdoors, which is why you see them on so many WRX’s. Race it at the track and take it on a camping trip.

I learned something new though - even tow hooks are “JDM”!

Chassis-mounted wings - also functional.

On a completely different note, you do realize Supreme is an NYC-based company, right? It has absolutely, literally, nothing to do with “JDM”.

I think he's coming from the view that I also have.
For all those things I personally saw them mainly on cars that did not actually need/use them.

100% for looks.
0% function.

CSG Mike 04-11-2019 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JCW 86 (Post 3206403)
I think the results speak for themselves. If you follow time-attack you should know who Will Au-Yeung is and that he's sponsored by FA.

https://www.motul.com/kh/en/news/eve...eats-the-clock

Going to Japan and beating the Japanese...HKS no less

At his level of downforce, power, and traction control, suspension isn't absorbing the ground, as much as just holding the car up.

Look at all the WTAC cars porpoising and scraping.

Tcoat 04-11-2019 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3206442)
A self proclaimed JDM fanboi, that doesn't actually know what JDM means. Imagine my shock.
Guess what. Something can be produced for the Japanese Domestic Market outside of Japan, just like USDM cars can be made in Japan and send to the US.

Now now now Tok you used the word "Domestic" and then screwed it all up.
Stuff made in Japan for Japan is JDM
Stuff made it Japan for export is JEM (for export market)
Stuff that comes into the US from Japan is JIM (for import) once it hits port
Stuff made in the USA for Japan is USEM
Stuff imported into Japan from the US becomes USIM

No imported or exported products can be termed "domestic" even if the parent company itself is based in the importing country.
This is part of what all the tariff debates are about. A Mustang made in the US would be domestic and not taxed. The same car made in Canada (if they went through with the threats) would be considered an import and tariffs would apply even though both are Fords.

Holy crap that is confusing when I see it in print. No wonder people get it messed up.

Tk rocket 04-11-2019 11:11 PM

We all know what the literal definition of JDM is and then it is also a blanket term to signify Japanese brand. The acronym is so convoluted now that it even means Japanese inspired.

J1Avs 04-11-2019 11:34 PM

I particularly enjoy this definition and example on Urban Dictionary:

“The term JDM has long been used to "one-up" a friend or acquaintance at Krispy Kreme car meets and the likes. By adding a JDM item to your "ride" you are instantly "cooler" than your friend's USDM counterpart.”

“mike: dude, I'm so JDM I sleep on the right side of the bed
mike2: yea, well, I'm so JDM I only have a right testicle”

Tcoat 04-12-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3206603)
We all know what the literal definition of JDM is and then it is also a blanket term to signify Japanese brand. The acronym is so convoluted now that it even means Japanese inspired.

So you spent half the thread stating you only buy "JDM" parts for their made in Japan quality and now you change the definition so that anything "inspired" counts. Well a knock off body kit hand made in a hovel in Lower Solbovia can be "inspired" by Japanese parts so that makes just about everything JDM Yooooo. Many Japanese brand items are not made in Japan whether you like it of not. JDM means domestic and changing the meaning to suit your point doesn't make it better.

J1Avs 04-12-2019 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3206718)
So you spent half the thread stating you only buy "JDM" parts for their made in Japan quality and now you change the definition so that anything "inspired" counts. Well a knock off body kit hand made in a hovel in Lower Solbovia can be "inspired" by Japanese parts so that makes just about everything JDM Yooooo. Many Japanese brand items are not made in Japan whether you like it of not. JDM means domestic and changing the meaning to suit your point doesn't make it better.

Every time I respond, I keep asking myself, "WHY AM I STILL RESPONDING?" But it just keeps getting better, and I just can't help myself. This is what happens when I have 6 days off work and nothing better to do with myself...

wparsons 04-12-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3206575)
At his level of downforce, power, and traction control, suspension isn't absorbing the ground, as much as just holding the car up.

Look at all the WTAC cars porpoising and scraping.


He's also running secondary springs inside the primary ones instead of bump stops because of the aero loading.

Tcoat 04-12-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by J1Avs (Post 3206741)
Every time I respond, I keep asking myself, "WHY AM I STILL RESPONDING?" But it just keeps getting better, and I just can't help myself. This is what happens when I have 6 days off work and nothing better to do with myself...

LOL I always respond. The sillier things get the more I respond. It is an addictions I am sure. I probably should seek counseling.

J1Avs 04-12-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3206747)
LOL I always respond. The sillier things get the more I respond. It is an addictions I am sure. I probably should seek counseling.

But only from a certified JDM counselor....:bonk:

Tcoat 04-12-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by J1Avs (Post 3206789)
But only from a certified JDM counselor....:bonk:

https://media.giphy.com/media/1n83EL...oj7Q/giphy.gif

mav1178 04-12-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tk rocket (Post 3206603)
We all know what the literal definition of JDM is and then it is also a blanket term to signify Japanese brand. The acronym is so convoluted now that it even means Japanese inspired.

basically you're this guy:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-ZLqQxfN0[/ame]

why? 04-12-2019 06:17 PM

wow that is horrible beyond description

x808drifter 04-12-2019 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 3207007)
wow that is horrible beyond description

What's worse is that while being a satire, there are people like that...
This is another good/funny one too.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BGIcRBPHM[/ame]

RRnold 04-12-2019 08:57 PM

The term JDM used to have so much value back in the days. This was from family bringing us a Pa*****o machine and Super Famicon with games all in when we were kids. Watching my neighborhood friends try to figure out where START or 2 Player option were since it was in Japanese was hilarious.

Then in the 90's, it was trips to Japan to look for special parts that didn't even exist in the U.S. I remember packing 2 sets of Integra Type R headlights in my friend's suitcase. :lol:

It's a shame that fewer people are forgetting how exclusive Japanese parts used to be. Patents have long expired and outsourcing to China have really changed the game.


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/14...g?v=1511037470

Dadhawk 04-12-2019 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 3207064)
The term JDM used to have so much value back in the days. This was from family bringing us a Pa*****o machine and Super Famicon with games all in when we were kids. Watching my neighborhood friends try to figure out where START or 2 Player option were since it was in Japanese was hilarious.

Hey I've got a Pa-*****o machine, almost the same model...love that game. Mine sadly has a bad path in it and need repair. On the project list, but you can play it if you put a container behind it to catch the balls returning.

soundman98 04-12-2019 11:17 PM

this thread is as interesting as it is mind boggling as it is irritating.

RRnold 04-13-2019 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3207076)
Hey I've got a Pa-*****o machine, almost the same model...love that game. Mine sadly has a bad path in it and need repair. On the project list, but you can play it if you put a container behind it to catch the balls returning.

That's awesome! We donated ours a long time ago. I'm sure someone picked up and restored it to its glory.


Back on topic, I see more BC c/o installs then FA. I couldn't go with those coilovers. I'm an Ohlins guys for my motos and HKS Hipermax III's on my Supra.

I can't fake the funk. I already cringe when I see the Porsche 911 guys swap their tail lights for Depo LED's. :barf:

Swift 04-13-2019 10:47 AM

troll be trolling.


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