Keeping mine until the engine blows up. After that, who knows. Get a new engine or say goodbye.



I haven't gone to autox in 2 years, don't even do weekend drives anymore. Might get something boring and compliant like a Lexus IS350 Fsport or something similar. Though I've had my eye on a GSF.



While I'm glad to have picked the FRS as my first sports car, I'm pretty much over it now.

And what change your mind? Got more money?

Well, you never know, the sports car bug may come back to bite you again later in life - :D


humfrz

Interesting reading some comments its almost a split between people who say they have no plans to ever get rid of their 86/BRZ and those who want to buy something completely different, not a lot of people saying they are keen on the second generation.

I know we don't know what the second generation is gonna be like, but I'm confident if Toyota/Subaru manage to recreate the same magic and ingredients as the first generation only much better it would change a lot of the minds of people saying they are sticking to the first generation.

Here down under we have a lot of auto/suv/fwd drivers with their face stuck in their mobile(cell) phones and exploring new real estate.
So cars regularly get totalled and driving a decent car is not fun anymore.
Lately i enjoy driving where the road is not, in my old zooki and the future might be for a new jimny

Make that a turbo inline 4, pass on the BMW part though, mainly due to economics. This will likely necessitate the addition of pyrotechnic lifters for the hood due to safety which might push the price up a bit which would be an issue. This was likely the primary reason for the partnership with Subaru, cheapest way to get the COG down as well as a enable a low-sculpted hood line. Plus, Subaru had the production capacity.

My wife wanted to name our son Lucas and for some reason I didn't like the name. Now I know why. LOL

The twins are probably the last mass produced economically priced gas-only sports car. The trend will be toward hybrid, electric and eventually fuel cell vehicles. Think of every Japanese manufacturer, who else will make a true sports car for well under $30K? In 2012, the FR-S was $26K CD$, the next gen base will probably be $29.9K. The only other possible viable gas sports econo model I could envision would be like the Toyota S-FR provided it meets safety and they'd probably still be pushing the high $20's.

German manufacturers are definitely out on this one as are American. Koreans will not build a true sports car.

There are good sport sedan options though CUVs are consuming that market.

wait - what? You cannot start this awesome story and just leave it at this. I need more details (on both, what happened to the car, and how do you get a ticket in a golf cart)
Pleaaassseeee!

This begs the old question of when do the changes become so great that it is no longer an 86 but a totally different car with that name? Whether people like it or not the 86 is a joint venture that uses a boxer engine. Any version that does away with that boxer engine isn't a second gen 86 it is a first gen something else.
There will be no next gen anything without a joint venture. It just no longer makes sense for anybody to go it alone with an economical sports car. Should the S-FR buck the odds and actually get built (which I seriously doubt at this point) it will be a joint venture with somebody.

S-FR ain't coming to North America in any event.

If the fundamentals; front engine, rear drive and sports car are met, then it fills the FR-S niche. Perhaps they might not refer to it as the 86 since the original logo showed the opposing boxer pistons. Maybe call it the Levin. In reality the boxer engine is a pain in the ass wedged between 2 tight frame rails (or whatever they are called on unibody). The spark plug change is proof since on any other car all you need is a spark plug socket, gapper and some dielectric. With this car you either pay a mechanic for 4 hours to jack the engine according to the book or cut your hands up and need to collect all the little flex sockets, magnet, rubber tubing, etc to do it yourself in ~ 2.5 hours first time or ~ 1 hour if experienced.

Celica

Well, OK, most folks don't encourage me …. :D

My father, even after he forgot to disconnect the gas hose form his car and drove off, refused to quit driving. He wouldn't give up the keys to his car to my brother or sister. So, they conjured up this story that my sister's car broke down and the repair was going to take a long time and she needed a car to get to work.

So, my father lent her his car. Then they explained that they weren't going to give it back because he had no business (at age 94) to be driving.

Since my father lived in a golf course community, he had an electric golf cart. So, he figured he would just drive his golf cart into town (about 2 miles away). Well, the car was not licensed to be driven on a public highway, so, the local police stopped him and gave him a ticket.


THE END


humfrz

Celicas were nice cars of the past! I don't know what market research says but corporations are listening. I read someone commenting elsewhere that people begged for the FR-S, then when they made it , it didn't sell. It did, but maybe not the way it could if a model was adjusted for more up-to-date demand.

My feeling regards Celicas:
~ '72 young neighbour across the street had a new Celica (shaped like a white rice grain it was). Cool and very different. A nice small car in '72! Nobody talked about it but at age 8, I noticed it!
I drove my boss's '82 Supra 5 speed in '84. The seat was so low and he had a cushion to prop himself up. It was a 6 cylinder cruiser version of the 4 cylinder Celica.
My Mom drove a brand new red Celica GTS in '90. It was revolutionary in how the curved body panels were stamped for that time and plus it was one of the last cars with pop-up headlights and it had the best sounding OEM CD audio system I had ever heard.
There is no more Solara (had '06 XLE convertible too).
Between Celica and Solara there is a coupe but it's not the twins. I am not offended if they retire the form factor, who knows, substantial gas engines will be a luxury in a decade. Its time for Supra and twins maybe, I wouln't bet on it. Like Scion, it might have been a phase in Toyota's life that isn't necessarily the next vision.
Electrification is upon us, people.

My garage only has limited space. I do not plan on selling my 2016.
Don't think I'd get a 2nd gen unless there was a very good reason to.4 (cough).

:D

some of it has a lot to do with the state of upcoming vehicle regulations, and less about the specific car.

i am here specifically because a new brz was more cost effective than getting nearly any used 20+ year old 240zx or similar to the same reliability state. around me, any 90's rwd cars are all heavily modded, and still going for around $8k-15k for what amounts to a good chassis. by the time i added up all the replacement parts most of the cars would need to return to a state that i could trust that they work every time i turn the key and will get me to work reliably, i was at around $8-10k in parts/labor(because i didn't have the space to do it myself).

i never really cared about the history of the nameplate, and truthfully, still don't much care. i'm here because i wanted as analog car as i could get. the only 'upgrades' i really wanted were fuel injection and heated seats.

moving forward, with the reverse camera and soon-to-be automatic braking and/or lane keep regulations, i just don't have an interest in a newer version of any car, as the laws that all news cars must abide by are changing to a state that will no longer allow such a car as first-gen 86 to exist. and fundamentally, that's why i don't care anymore about the 2nd gen.

while i have no doubt that the engineers at subaru and toyota would be able to keep the tactile feel of the platform while driving, something fundamental to that feeling is lost when control is pulled away from the driver at sporadic instances so a computer can 'correct' for a perceived situation, for better or worse.

And a lot of it has to do with we know absolutely zero about the upcoming car. Hard to jump on the bandwagon when it is still in the barn and the band hasn't even gathered their instruments yet.

Some of the new tech can indeed be intrusive if you let it but the whole idea is simply not to put the car into the position where it thinks you are going to die or kill somebody else. My wife car has it but it is really rare where it kicks in. Even when it does it gives you plenty of warning before it acts. If you don't react then it kicks in. I tried to run down some boxes I piled in the street and there was no way it would let me if I didn't vary the controls but at the same time it would let me plow right into them if I accelerated as it as screaming stop. Some of it is actually really nice to have if you do a lot of highway cruising. I would pay extra to have that adaptive cruise and the back up warning for movement is pretty sweet! You also still have the ability to turn it all off so they won't bother you if you don't want them.

2016 to date ... still happy with my FRS. Not just driving; maintaining, modifying, fixing as well. I guess this is a bond I could have as close as it can get between me and a machine. I will keep it tip top as long as it is with me because it is worth it and because it is my car. No commitment though ... it is still just a machine that might be replaced or given to my son in a couple years.

The Celica went through massive changes and still stayed Celica.

I reckon they can milk the 86 name for a bit.

not really. They just kept the name, but the front wheel drive last gen Celica had absolutely nothing in common with the 70's rear drive version that spawned the Supra.

Pre 85 RWD

Post 85 FWD, and a sneaky AWD.

In saying that, the only good one was the first gen, they just got fatter and lamer with each new generation.

IMO anyway

Opinions may vary

I would definitely consider a second gen once I have paid off my BRZ, as I don't plan on getting rid of it. But it would have to be an improvement on the current car, which will be difficult as I imagine any second gen will probably end up bigger and heavier with no guarantee of significant power increase or improved driving dynamics.

I'm not really interested in a new generation that is the same or worse for more money. But a better car that is still about driver enjoyment in a small, lightweight package? Definitely. I think any money spent on development should go to improving torque while at least maintaining current handling characteristics and staying under 3000 lbs. I don't need a bunch of crazy tech and automatic/electronic safety features adding weight just to cover for poor driver awareness. Put the money into the driving experience.

One of the reasons I bought new over used is because I wanted to see a second generation and other cars like it.

Cool father!

I did the same thing in reverse and got interesting looks from motorists mainly because I was 7 years old.

The folks were out for the day and I couldn't resist so took one of the carts for a spin, the first motorized vehicle I'd ever driven anywhere, much less public roads.

I would've made it home free but after a Sunday afternoon cruising A1A in Ft. Lauderdale, the batteries died a half-mile short. A nice cop stopped to assist and confiscate the cart key. It was my first and only ride since in a police cruiser. He gave me the front seat that was mixed emotions knowing what I was about to face at home.

Luckily the 'rents weren't home yet, it would've been tense if they saw me arrive in a cruiser, so he let me off with a verbal warning and called them later to discuss the "situation".

My punishment was to push the cart home with adult supervision followed by tough love for a while. My brother thought it was hilarious, though.

That's a huge part of their decision process that keeps them up on video conferences halfway through the night.

With the US the biggest market and subject to whimsical governmental edicts that can change depending on who is elected or appointed to rulemaking administrative organizations, most manufacturers have to play it safer than enthusiasts like.

:bellyroll:

Good story!


humfrz

I briefly tried sharing the pain by blaming my older brother for failing his assignment, watching me while the parents were gone, but it didn't fly.

In 3-4 years, maybe! I'm going back to school to do what interests me.



Turns out I'm not much of a car enthusiast as I thought. I just want something... boring. Though I'd rather ride the bus than drive a Prius!



Oh, I know it will. 911, or possibly a 570s if I forego the house; if the flight nurse thing doesn't work out, I'm going to see if I can join a travel nursing agency and do 6 month contracts in different parts of the country!

A girlfriend from 1980-ish had a crappy mustang II and got a hot blue Celica coupe with a stick. Nice car ! Cost $5,000 new. She would have been a long term keeper but she wanted a “serious relationship”.

What’s wrong with a few laffs and letting the good times roll?

This is the car I almost bought (1 year old private sale in '85), it would have been my first new or in this case almost new car. I drove it and wanted it but I think I never considered that he might accept a bit less since it might have been slightly expensive for me and ended up almost immediately buying a new '85 GTI for ~$13K on the road.

I liked the MK2 Supra, which this essentially was, except with a 4 cyl. engine. Should have tried harder to get the Celica. The next generations were FWD and the public was sold on the change without objection. Imagine if they switched the 86 from RWD to FWD and called it the 92! They did that to the AE86/Corolla GTS in '87 to the AE92.

Now, tell me that '70 Celica GT wasn't a sweet looking small car. Dat azz!

Good on you. Going to school to qualify you to do a job you like is good move.

As far as being a "car enthusiast", that can change depending upon your other interests and obligations. I suggest you just go with your gut and let it vary.

That possibility of contract work sounds interesting, especially while you are single.

Most important of all - is to have fun! - :thumbup:


humfrz

Gotta say, Miatas are starting to look very tempting after this recall mess. Searched cars.com using rwd, manual, used ... about a bazillion Mustangs and Camaros in which I have no interest, but a few really nice Miata MX5, BMW Z3/Z4, 3series, Porsche boxster, even an affordable 911, ... unless the dealership really comes through and I get back the car I had up until a month ago, this'll be my last twin.

Yep, if you're not too big and you are willing to pack lite, a Miata can be a fun car.

I drove my 2006 NC Miata over 80,000 miles and never had to go back to the dealer or to a shop for anything (except to change the oil and mount a second set of tires).


humfrz

+1 for the MX5, I sold a NBA MX5 and got a 15 STI, biggest mistake ever, only had the STI for 2 years, even with the stage 2+ mods on it I felt it was boring and only fun at 10/10ths, which isn't achievable on the street.

The MX5, like my 2017 86 with fruit, is fun to drive everywhere.

Parts and maintenance is super cheap for the MX5 as well.

Only other suggestion would be to get a removable hard top, it gives some security and is much better during bad weather.

The "other" only other thing would be which model, I personally dislike the NC.

Opinions may vary

you mean the RIGHT side of the car!

Honda DAX 70cc.they've been going up in value a lot these last few years

I like the FR-S/GT86 platform, however I think at some point I may grow out of it and want a faster or more exotic car. Not that I have the money to do it yet, but If I have a choice of a new car in a few years I may keep the FR-S as a track car and buy a faster DD. Maybe a used BMW M series or a Porsche 911.

Now if they come out with that rumored 2nd gen GT86 platform that has a 2.4 FA24 or something turbocharged that I may be into. I would really like to see them start making a rear engine/mid engine sports car. I.e a updated Fiat 850 Spider/Coupé

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