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InstaGib 01-15-2019 01:41 PM

OFT Tunes - V4 uses the same tune for both EL and UEL header designs?
 
I've been doing quite a bit of reading leading up to the spring, when I plan to do summer tires + alignment + brakes + Tomei UEL headers + OFT tune. Now I understand that the V4 tunes use the same tune for both EL and UEL headers, but my question is why/how?

In the past these were broken out into separate tunes, which makes more sense to me as wouldn't the exhaust valve timing be different? I've also read that V4 suffers from worse fuel economy, so now I'm wondering if I should just stick to the V2 tunes, or if there's just something I'm not understanding here.

I've tried to search for some info related to this, but I'm having some trouble digging through posts, so please feel free to redirect me if this has been discussed in detail before.

steve99 01-15-2019 04:58 PM

Yes you could use older v2 tunes

InstaGib 01-17-2019 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 3173230)
Yes you could use older v2 tunes

Sure, I understand that, but why the change at all? If the tunes could have been the same between header designs without performance/reliability concerns, then why were they originally split into EL/UEL specific tunes?

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tomm.brz 01-17-2019 11:49 AM

i think v4 are mostly tuned for OFH uel header
if you use them with other headers is mostly a compromise

InstaGib 01-17-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3174090)
i think v4 are mostly tuned for OFH uel header
if you use them with other headers is mostly a compromise

Do you have a source for that? This is the first time I've heard of this, and I can't even find anywhere to buy the Open flash Header any more.

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tomm.brz 01-17-2019 02:00 PM

mostly because the cam timings for. v4 are identical to the OFH v2 tunes Shiv released time ago

steve99 01-18-2019 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InstaGib (Post 3174068)
Sure, I understand that, but why the change at all? If the tunes could have been the same between header designs without performance/reliability concerns, then why were they originally split into EL/UEL specific tunes?

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their is some advantage having specific cam timings for each type of header, but the difference is not great unless you have very different design header like ace or p-tuning


saves time not having many different tunes for little advantage

InstaGib 01-18-2019 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 3174494)
their is some advantage having specific cam timings for each type of header, but the difference is not great unless you have very different design header like ace or p-tuning


saves time not having many different tunes for little advantage

Okay, that's kind of what I suspected then, thanks.

Are there changelogs or anything like that, that I can read over?

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steve99 01-18-2019 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by InstaGib (Post 3174566)
Okay, that's kind of what I suspected then, thanks.

Are there changelogs or anything like that, that I can read over?

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The older v2 tunes came with a readme file but not the V 4 only jnfo will be on the openflash support website or compare v4 tune to stock rom in romraider to see changes

thornad 03-15-2020 11:18 AM

EL header
 
I've got a TOMEI EL header, and using OFT v4.3 Stage 2+ at the moment, but from what I read on the forums, it seems the v4 Stage 2 has the AVCS of v2 EL tune, while Stage 2+ is closer to v2 UEL AVCS.
The only difference in v4 between Stage 2 and Stage 2+ seems to be the AVCS and Primary Open Loop Fueling tables.
So, for a decat EL header would it make sense to use Stage 2+ (which is for decat ) but with the Stage 2 AVCS ? Or same thing, the Stage 2 tune (EL) with the Stage 2+ POLF table (decat) ?

tomm.brz 03-15-2020 01:51 PM

try EL cam timings from stg2 V2
they work good

NicFromTheNorth 08-30-2021 10:59 AM

@thornad, which AVCS tables did you end up using?

J95 08-30-2021 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3309054)
try EL cam timings from stg2 V2
they work good


Do you mean stage 2 works better than 2+ for EL decat headers? I have some EL 4 2 1

thornad 08-31-2021 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NicFromTheNorth (Post 3461251)
@thornad, which AVCS tables did you end up using?

I got a Wayne tune eventually, but I did try the v2 EL AVCS tables and liked them better than v4 (everything else was v4).


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