Mandatory Fine for Modified Exhaust Systems
 

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.

https://kiem-tv.com/2018/12/27/chp-t...fter-new-year/

Anyone get pulled over yet? Fine up to $1k with mandatory ref and court appearance. Saw a vid on IG, 370z female owner pulled over.

https://www.instagram.com/n1s_moe/p/...=1qxz8e1ca1c2k

Im just running a cat back but now I'm thinking I might wanna go stock... What yall doing?


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I have thought about it. The only thing keeping me from doing is my set up is quite. Borla ULE, Invidia over pipe, Berk Front Pipe, and Invidia Q300 exhaust.


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lol @ CA

its interesting to sat the least. what i saw was that its to get rid of "excessively loud exhaust" (which would include motorcycles.) i do agree with that part but "excessive" is highly subjective as we all know.



I still have no plans to change my exhaust setup in the future. we shall see how it's enforced.

Blame the retards at the street take over things. I have a passion for hate for those idiots. If exhaust enforcement gets even stricter, that's the last straw for me. As soon as I'm done with school, I'm gonna move states. The people and laws in this state are getting shittier and shittier. No wonder why the rest of the U.S. hates California.

I guess there is some petition going around. I'm not totally sure what the end goal of the petition is. But if Californians want a referendum vote on this we will need 600,000+ signatures to trigger a state wide vote.

Here is the petition link. Only Californians can sign if you want to do things correctly for a referendum vote.

https://www.change.org/p/jay-obernol...273-en-us%3Av2

Here are some good posts to get Californians and the greater car community informed on how things can be done in California if they are serious about change or want to teach a lesson to people that support vague discriminatory laws.

https://i.imgur.com/5OATIMj.png

https://i.imgur.com/b6BIPny.png

https://i.imgur.com/yBuik1D.png

Hope this helps.

So what's the law that changed?

No more fix it tickets for loud exhaust. Now you pay the expensive fine and have to fix it. Also, people have been saying that the enforcement got stricter since the new year. Hopefully that calms down though.

No law changed. They added a law which is phrased along the lines of.... if a cop thinks, assumes or suspects your "exhaust" to be modified. They can pull you over and give you a ticket. The language is vague and just states exhaust is not allowed to be modified.

If it is modified there is a mandatory fee of $1000.

Look at the video link of the girl being ticketed. The officer does a good job at describing the law.

It's a vague blanket law which gives officers too much discretion to discriminate.

Here is an example:

An officer is used to seeing stock 86's all day. But if he sees a brz with the subaru sti axleback or an 86 with the trd catback he can pull you over because your exhaust is modified. whether he knows its a factory/dealer modification or not he has the discretion to write you a ticket because technically your exhaust is modified in his eye.

Normally this could be fought or a fix it ticket would be issued. But under this law if he gives you a ticket with the new law code there is a mandatory $1000 fee the court must issue. The new law also states that no fixing it is required and that no sound testing is required on the part of the officer and on the part of the cars driver.

So it's not only vague but it also adds a very heavy fine for something that could be erroneously ticketed for.

The reasoning can also include the officers sound and smell senses. So if you're on a trd catback and rev too high or are going through a tunnel and he thinks your car sounds louder than the average stock 86 you can get pulled over and ticketed. If you are in traffic and the 1960's muscle car a few cars ahead of you has an exhaust smell that is heavy with notes of unburned gasoline the cop can assume its coming from your 86 with a widebody or the evo next to you with the big wing and automatically pull you over and cite you for an unproven modified exhaust with a mandatory $1000 fee.

I hope that helps clear up how broad the law can be applied.

The video was posted prior to 2019 of the law taking effect. Original video posted 12/22/18. I don't think this can be used as a reference in terms of the new law, which only changes a correctable offense to a non-correctable. I don't think its a mandatory fee of $1000 because the fee for an inadequate muffler is ~$200 and for a loud exhaust is ~$200 as well without correction (last I checked). If it's about $1000, I will be assuming they got caught for more than loud exhaust or inadequate muffler.

Since we're talking about 2019 CA laws; I just wanted to mention the no-smog required period for new cars has jumped from 6-years to 8-years now.

This just seems like a ton of people are greatly over reacting.

It's not always a culture war. Also not everybody hates California. Just some gun-loving yokels in flyover states, the ones where relatively few people live. Also, goodbye.

Is this still applicable only to the 6 model year or less? Meaning our 2013 FRS/BRZ do not need SMOG until 2021?

Native Southern Californian here. hate the state, moving to one of those "gun loving fly over states where relatively few people live" because i am a 2A advocate who wants to live in a place where very few people live.

if you don't want to be bashed for liking what you like how about not bashing others because we want something different?
don't worry we are leaving and you can do with the state what you want:)

Those flyover states also got our president elected. Not so irrelevant are they? I live in California too but in a rural part, my town is changing and not in a good way. Also, the right to bear arms is what makes me proud af to be an American. There's new gun laws also for 2019, making the rest of the U.S. dislike California even more. Trust me I love Califrnia, lived here my whole life, but it's changing...

Yes

good, then my 2017 don't have to worry about smog checking until 2025, by that time the car will be sold for sure.

Not in a flyover State...or is FL?...but NY and CA shouldn't be making the decisions for the rest of the Country.
It's clear by the responses here that not everybody living there thinks that way either. Not to get too political here but that seems
it should be a wakeup call before everybody moves out and all you are left with is "Upper Mexico".
The point obviously is not to "fix" anything but gobble that money up for the government to spend. Yeah sure a couple guys have a obnoxious exhaust
sprinkled here and there but 95% of motorcycles are the main cause of most of the noise pollution on roads. They should cut to the chase and just "tax"
motorcycles some bogus noise ordinance garbage thing that nets them the extra cash they are seeking and call it a day like they do with luxury tax on cars.


Also: Yes, yes they do! We want that one big earthquake to break you off into the Pacific or at least Mexico to get it over with and annex you guys :D

are catback exhaust still okay? is this new law only applies to exhaust header/manifold mods?

I don't think there is a new law. Just a bigger fine for breaking an existing one. People are freaking out because they are caught up in the hype.

Probably because we don't want to cough up 1k for owning an aftermarket catback exhaust, if it's actually being enforced.

https://imgur.com/a/8qjx1vd <- CHP Post

Guess we'll wait and see when more people get pulled over.

yeah ive seen the post but does anyone know of anyone that has been pulled over for this and given a 1k fine? ive had plenty of modified cars and never got a fixit ticket. maybe sell the sports car all together. i heard they are giving tickets for speeding now too. no reason to have a sports car.

Lol I hear yah man, we'll just have to wait and see :thumbup: no need to patronize.

haha. i am sorry about that. i hit submit and was like "dammit, now im a ****." it is funny to see people dumping their already illegal exhausts. id probably be more excited about it but i just bought a new header this weekend instead of buying one dirt cheap from someone who is all of a sudden afraid of a decade old law.

I believe that the $1,000 fine depends on whether or not your car reads above or below the legal decibel limit. If your exhaust volume reads below, then the fine is around $200, depending on which county you're in.

Either way, it's still a hefty fine for just having a modified exhaust IMO. :cry:

-Sam

I'll share here as well (from Norcal but same laws)

The $202 fine is for CVC 27150. The $1100 is for CVC 27150.3

Guns don't kill people, idiots with loud exhausts kill people.

Just look at the stats of how many people are killed every year because of the ability for any idiot to get a loud exhaust.

I think that the people that get loud exhausts are compensating for some inadequacy or psychological instability.

Ummm, wait....what....???

Anyone have first hand evidence of what really changed? Any one get a thousand dollar ticket this year?

AB 1824 changed CVC 40610 to add 40610(b)(4) making citations under CVC 27150 and 27151 a non-correctable violation. No law changed. Any exhaust that was legal is still legal, and if it wasn't legal it still isn't. Now instead of paying the $25 court fee after having the ticket signed off you pay a fine of around $200 (may vary by county)

Edit: link added for the actual bill text if you want it
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01720180AB1824

Here's a good video, explained well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB83...CTTrv9-5Nulvhk

There are claims going around of people with stock exhausts getting ticketed. A Z guy and an M4 guy.
The 350Z exhaust is pretty loud stock. Not too sure about the M4. The law was enforced immediately when it was passed some time last year. The video that everyone is panicking about went viral last weekend, but they were pull over sometime in late November I think.
I've driven by cops with my exhaust , which is pretty loud, since the law has passed and was not pulled over.
I think in some areas since the start of the new year, some cops have been on steroids.

*Just reposting from what I posted in NorCal forums


Going to add this here for information: http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/2...?1546290674434

Page #41 shows that cvc 27150/27151 are still ~$200 each fine unless you were classified with an exhaust that has a whistle tip which then is $1000 fine (27150.3 a/b).

modified exhaust = cutting off a muffler or resonator, adding glasspacks or turbo whistles, etc.

the law does not ban aftermarket exhausts that do not exceed 95db

I think what no one has listed but is mentioned in the video is, that you'll have to go to the state ref and have your car inspected. Doesn't affect me (military) but can be a huge hassle for most people.

I have a Greddy Supreme Sp catback--84db. Even though I have a supercharger, the noise is within the law.

I really don't get the loud exhaust thing. Seems juvenile. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a sport bike or a F1 car revving to 18,000 rpms, but I wouldn't want the whole world making so much noise. Save the sound for the track. I get a lot of sound from my BRZ and Ducati within the decibel limits.

Wonder how often motorcycles get cited for any sort of exhaust violation. Sure seems that laws like this don't apply the same to motorcycles and domestic cars.


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A lot of bikes get license plate and exhaust tickets. The stock exhausts often come with exhaust flaps that partially close at high rpms.

pretty sure this law also applies to bikes