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CounterSpace Garage 02-09-2020 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 3297632)
Sadly I need 7420 size pads [emoji16]

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C2 is available in stock. :)

ZDan 08-13-2020 01:57 AM

I just ran CSG Spec C2 for the first time (only at the front, with Winmax W5 rears) at Palmer this past Sunday. I ran them with Conti ECS street tires and with Hoosier A7s and honestly they were great at the track with either, which in retrospect is kinda surprising given the radical difference in tire grip (A7 5 seconds faster). I found the pads to be very linear and predictable throughout ~15-20 minute sessions. Plenty of bite but not too initially-grabby, which makes me feel more comfortable about the possibility of disconnecting ABS to save a classification point and drop another 42 lb. for Watkins Glen next month... Won my time trial class at Palmer, COMSCC T60 (9 competitors including a 981 Cayman S) with a 1:48.16 :D
https://www.comscc.org/events/result...?id=2020-08-09

They're also fine on the street, they work when cold, not too noisy and not too dusty either. Pretty remarkable!

Doozer 08-19-2020 05:42 AM

Installed C2 pads front on AP Sprint and C1 rears for OEM calipers.

Running for about a month for street and canyon/HPDE.

Pads bedded nicely and very linear feel on the pedal. Not generating enough long term temps to know if they fade but very happy with them.

Slightly noisy for daily driving but better then the CL6 sintered for sure.

Nice pad

staples323 12-07-2020 01:43 AM

Installed C2 compound on AP Sprint front OEM rear. 3 track days on them so far. 1 at a track with some pretty heavy braking zones, 3 100 to 40ish mph.

Very good initial bite with good modulation throughout, was worried they might be an on/off switch like some aggressive pads. Didn't have any fade in multiple 20 minute session. Will need to run more events to comment on longevity but seem to be holding up well so far.

Overall, very impressed with them, and glad I bought some.

::edit:: Forgot tire information. Hankook RS4 225/445/17

churchx 12-07-2020 03:25 AM

staples323: on what tires (model/width)?

staples323 12-07-2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3391175)
staples323: on what tires (model/width)?

Thanks, I forgot to add that. Original post has been edited with tire info.

Hankook RS4 225/45/17

Ruben_86_ 11-18-2023 09:41 PM

Who has tested the spec compound spec cp?

CSG Mike 11-19-2023 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruben_86_ (Post 3596658)
Who has tested the spec compound spec cp?

Hundreds (thousands?) of folks.

What do you want to know?

Ruben_86_ 11-19-2023 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3596669)
Hundreds (thousands?) of folks.

What do you want to know?

I have seen the data on the website and I like them, but I am afraid that they will not work well on the track.

My setup is Brembo GT CSG in front with PBS Pro Race and DBA T2 discs. Oem with cosworth pads rear. It has always worked very well for me, I do some trackday a year looking for the best times with Nankang AR1 225/45/17 and some fast laps in Nurburgring.

The car is used on the road and I do not like the infernal noise that the brakes make sometimes, so I have thought of CSG Spec CP in addition to the good comments of other compounds CSG SPEC

Pat 11-19-2023 01:18 PM

I have the CP with AP 9660 calipers. I didn't like them on track. I'll post more detail soon.

Pat 11-20-2023 12:36 PM

Here you go, guys.

CSG Mike 11-21-2023 04:37 PM

@Ohio Enthusiast @
Ruben_86_
@x808drifter

After further discussion and some digging, Pat is on the SP1, not the CP, as that is what his shop ultimately ordered.

The SP1 is a true street pad designed for low dust and noise on race calipers, and intended for those who street drive their race setups with the intention of swapping to a CSG race compound at the track.

It's a testament to the capacity of the AP 9660 kit that a pad that was NEVER meant for track use survived track use with a veteran driver at the wheel.

Tokay444 11-22-2023 10:08 AM

I don't even see SP1 as an offering. What am I missing here?

dragoontwo 11-22-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3596866)
I don't even see SP1 as an offering. What am I missing here?

Only a guess, but maybe he meant Sprint C1?

Pat 11-22-2023 10:24 AM

No, they have offerings not listed on the site. It was an SP1.

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CSG Mike 11-22-2023 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3596866)
I don't even see SP1 as an offering. What am I missing here?

The compounds listed are the ones that are plug and play, easy for anyone to use with little to no additional guidance.

There are many, many other compounds prescribed on a case by case basis, based on conversations with the person, shop, team, and car involved.

For example, the 86/BRZ has a digressive, linear, and progressive option for sprint compounds, one high performance street compound, and one endurance compound listed. There's many others that are only offered when a user has a specific characteristic they're looking for, or a specific brake behavior they desire, or perhaps have a unique need due to their aero package, etc.

Here's an example. The 5 fastest circuit supras in the world all run CSG. All 5 run a different setup. While the listed Supra compounds are similar to the BRZ, none of the 5 supras run any of the list compounds, as their brake setups have all been optimized around the data and feedback provided.

Tokay444 11-22-2023 07:33 PM

Neat.

Ruben_86_ 11-23-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3596871)
The compounds listed are the ones that are plug and play, easy for anyone to use with little to no additional guidance.

There are many, many other compounds prescribed on a case by case basis, based on conversations with the person, shop, team, and car involved.

For example, the 86/BRZ has a digressive, linear, and progressive option for sprint compounds, one high performance street compound, and one endurance compound listed. There's many others that are only offered when a user has a specific characteristic they're looking for, or a specific brake behavior they desire, or perhaps have a unique need due to their aero package, etc.

Here's an example. The 5 fastest circuit supras in the world all run CSG. All 5 run a different setup. While the listed Supra compounds are similar to the BRZ, none of the 5 supras run any of the list compounds, as their brake setups have all been optimized around the data and feedback provided.

Any recommendations for my setup?

CSG Mike 11-23-2023 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruben_86_ (Post 3596929)
Any recommendations for my setup?

You'll want to email CSG with your setup and use case, for a recommendation. I have no idea what your setup is or what you do with the car, so any recommendation I make is just a blind shot in the dark.

Ruben_86_ 11-24-2023 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3596956)
You'll want to email CSG with your setup and use case, for a recommendation. I have no idea what your setup is or what you do with the car, so any recommendation I make is just a blind shot in the dark.

I had put it above😅

CSG Mike 11-24-2023 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruben_86_ (Post 3596980)
I had put it above😅

Ah, apologies. I reply to hundreds of messages/emails a day, and don't look for context unless clued in!

For your setup, CP front and rear would get the job done without issue, and also be pretty quiet.

The only caveat will be that you will want to FULLY cool your brakes down after each lap before parking, so that you do not get unwanted brake deposits from the pad sticking to the rotor, as the CP is ultimately a supremely capable street pad. It doesn't like being parked hot.

Ruben_86_ 11-24-2023 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3596996)
Ah, apologies. I reply to hundreds of messages/emails a day, and don't look for context unless clued in!

For your setup, CP front and rear would get the job done without issue, and also be pretty quiet.

The only caveat will be that you will want to FULLY cool your brakes down after each lap before parking, so that you do not get unwanted brake deposits from the pad sticking to the rotor, as the CP is ultimately a supremely capable street pad. It doesn't like being parked hot.


Thank you very much, I had no idea of that characteristic, I will try them next year

dragoontwo 11-25-2023 01:55 PM

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I checked my CSG CP pads on stock sliders after about 2 years of dd and autocross. I have just under 20k miles on these pads.

The material left is between 9.5-10mm because of slight pad taper. They have always had a slight bit of noise likely because I put them on stock rotors that had been run for 6k miles.

CSG Mike 11-26-2023 01:16 PM

@dragoontwo two those look basically new!

dragoontwo 11-26-2023 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3597083)
@dragoontwo two those look basically new!

If you say so. What is the new thickness supposed to be for the CP on the stock calipers?

CSG Mike 11-27-2023 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dragoontwo (Post 3597105)
If you say so. What is the new thickness supposed to be for the CP on the stock calipers?

18mm front 17mm rear, including the backing plate.


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