Again: No Turbo, No Convertible for US FR-S
 

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...s-for-america/

This doesn't bother me. I think a factory turbo would attract the type of people who wouldn't respect this car for what it is. The aftermarket will serve this car well and we'll appreciate it even more.

You're only saying this because you already bought your car. To say that a factory turbo is a bad idea has to be one of the most delusional statements I've heard on these forums.

Actually because it is a legitimate concern to what the car stands for. Turbo means turbo lag which would ruin throttle response and ruin the FR-S's perfect balance. This was a point brought up in one reviewer's video, I forget which though.

Only a super charger would be appropriate IMHO.

The aftermarket is merrily working on giving us both turbo and supercharged flavors. I'd personally love a dealer-installed TRD supercharger, and hopefully we'll get one.

That's strange my Toyota rep told me Toyota was already working on making a turbo for the next generation scion frs

I probably wouldn't have bought the FR-S if it had a factory turbo. Of course this is just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people would think other wise. It doesn't make me delusional.

I would have been much less interested in this car if it had a turbo from the get-go.. I know they generate a ton of power and all, but I simply like the response of NA (and the sound) much more than the response and sound from turbo systems. SC applications are my second favorite, though I still prefer straight NA.

Just something special about that NA noise and feel...

Head in the sand. Look at the Lotus Exige. When it first came out Lotus was all "Oh no we're not going to go forced induction." The next year the Exige S comes out that is supercharged.

That car is lighter than the 86 and they just bolted on 28 more HP, and 20 more pounds of torque.

To think that the 86 won't get forced induction is crazy. A Fiat 500 can get a turbo but an 86 won't from the factory?

would the aftermarket void the warranty ?

Not a simple answer. Things like exhausts are pretty safe and you shouldn't have an issue. A turbo or supercharger is different and would probably cause you issues. I'm no lawyer, but it's been said the dealer has to prove the aftermarket part caused the issue and the burden of proof is on them. Reality is if they want to void your warranty for aftermarket parts it's going to be difficult to fight them.

We accept that our warranties may be void when we modify the car. This is why I make sure I have the funds required for the worst situations. This isn't a cheap hobby.

Like any business Toyota will do what it thinks will make it the most money. It's possible they think a turbo will price this car too high. Maybe they don't. The question that is yet to be answered is does this car need FI? What are the NA limits? And do those limits meet the needs of the majority?

The article says "Drivers who want more power will get aftermarket kits from Toyota Racing Development"


I don't see what the complaints are about. According to the article you'll still be able to get a Factory FI FR-S. The turbo will be dealer installed and warrantied just like all of the other TRD superchargers were for the Tc, Tacomas, etc.

This allows Toyota/Scion to still claim a sub 25k price for the car in the U.S. but allow those who want FI to pay extra and purchase it as an a la carte add on option.

If anything people who believe this source should be jumping for joy that a Factory turbo has been confirmed...

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Me personally I'm calling BS as a supercharger would fit the cars personality much better and would assume that is the route TRD is going.

Factory/OEM turbo and massive turbo lag and cheaper parts. No thanks. Keep the car affordable and let us make it to our preferences with the aftermarket that puts more R&D and uses better quality parts.

I never said the 86 wasn't going to get forced induction at all. Where did you read that lol? I said that a super charger would be more appropriate because the turbo would ruin the balance of the care with turbo lag.

Also, TRD much prefers S/C over T/C for that very reason. There will probably a TRD Supercharger developed for the FR-S, but it won't be a part of any trim level, just a factory add-on.

Having never owned a turbo'd car, is it really needed if you don't track the car? would it be more of a status, bragging rights thing? First thing the dudes I know ask is, "that thang thur got turbo?" Lol

Being that the current Boxer engine has 12.5:1 compression, putting on a turbo or SC will force you to do some major engine or head work to lower the CR or run very little boost, which negates the reason for a turbo or SC. You will also have to adjust or completely redo the valve timing of the engine to take full advantage of FI.
It will be interesting to see how the aftermarket deals with this and their results.

I think it's a lot to do with pricing as well.

There are already a lot of people who think the car is overpriced... Still, there are plenty who will pay for factory installed options.

Another thing is that Scion tries not to carry super expensive cars.... Easy fix. Remove Scion FRS, introduce Toyota 86. Or use theGT86 name.

I realize that article said nothing about a possible 2.5L.

Its sad that people feel that a optional turbocharged variant would ruin this car. I think they fear it will get more press and the N/A variants hype will die down significantly. I'm pretty sure if done right the turbocharged one will be considered the worlds best sports car under 35k. It would be the true definition of a poor mans cayman S.

I'll take a 2.5L over Turbo, as long as there's not too much weight penalty.

I tend to agree. Any news of a turbo would cause people to hold off on buying a current model. Many years of research and development funding $$$ went into this car so the more first model year cars they sell the better for them. Subsequent model years will cost them much less to manufacture.

And when it comes I will be the first to stock them. :thumbsup:

Poor mans cayman? No, poor mans Lotus. If only they could shave another 600 pounds off the car!

Not sure about 600lbs but I think we can shave 300lbs easily.

Lots of people are jumping on the turbo-hate-wagon... afraid of lag? :thumbdown:

Uht oh, dont drive your N/A between 3,500-4,500rpm, this car has N/A lag! But the solution is easy, shift. :bonk: You can shift in a turbo car too. :burnrubber:

You guys are funny, this is all just bench racing. I look forward to whatever kit TRD decides to pick and I'll be happy to buy when they finally do.

Nissan and Toyota have frustrated me for years by offering different version and better preforming engines buy not bringing them to the states. Though, I am not surprised and this has become the norm for most Auto and MC mfg.

I am a supercharger fan. I have had plenty of turbo and SC cars. I like NA, I won't lie, but if they made a good sc application, I would be excited.

I prefer throttle response, had my fair share of turbo cars and their hassles. NA is simply good enough for me.

That was why I sold my subaru and bought and E46 M3! I want ITB's on my FRS! :)

Yes, they can develop one, but that doesn't mean it will come from the factory with it on. More like an option for later installation to prevent voiding the warranty

Lets remember that this is just rumors. Originally there was absolutely not going to be a convertible, the people that knew there was a convertible in the pipeline flat-out lied. Business is business, and its just to early to verify any of the above. Lets not jump the gun.

Also remember it probably makes sense to ignore TTAC commentary, except maybe for stupid entertainment. It's the same site that tried downplaying reports of possible BRZ supply constraints, after the Subaru of America item regarding dealer allocation had been posted online. It's too soon to say how long SOA will carry through on limited allocation, where TTAC's "a few months" could turn out to mean 3/4 a year or more, but Edmunds and Truecar both suggest the BRZ is at least currently supply constrained.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...price-gouging/
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ed-subaru-brz/
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3933

A very sensible suggestion, and for that reason you're forever excluded from writing for TTAC. Some of my TTAC favorite ideas are that all Caddies need V8s, big love for Mercury, other gushing about old car greatness, and of course all insinuations that TTAC is smarter than household names in automotive reporting.

some of you people are too much. lol @ "don't wanna upset the perfect balance" or whatever it was that guy said. the fr-s is a good car, it would be a better car with more power.

I wouldn't be too surprised to the car's swan song have a turbo like the mazdaspeed miata back in the day. That said, a turbo is always awesome, but after driving it a lot I don't miss it at all (and yes, I've driven some turbo cars).

All matter of opinion. I personally prefer and have had more fun with low weight/reasonable power cars, than higher powered cars.

Again one isn't necessarily better than the other, just a matter of preference.

Turbo? Aftermarket.
Convertible? Buy an MX-5.

I'm here for the RWD and no glass filled holes in the roof.

I'm happy with my BRZ as is...

but that convertible render is kinda sexy... my female friends would love to rock that... and I give my approval :w00t:

The convertible will have an inferior chassis due to structural rigidity being lost. It's unavoidable by design. That and potential leaks.

Turbo? Meh, I think it's better to do the kit right the first time than to pay X dollars only to end up replacing the factory kit with a better aftermarket one.

I thought the sedan rumor was more interesting, personally, and that was limited to one sentence in a business article.

All kids care about these days is the turbo and summer car. TOP DOWN TOP DOWN!