But....but......but there's no room for a turbo and a convertible would ruin the rigidity. Liars.

More like.... "It'd be nicer if it had more power." The car is already pretty good. The car will be "better" depending on what people personally want.

More power is definitely in order, while keeping it NA. Turbo and SC are fun, but I personally don't think anything beats NA fun. Getting this car to 240-250hp (at the crank) will not be difficult with your bolt-ons and some tuning. I think that will make this car what most people wanted it to be from the factory without having to boost it.

The way it should have been
 

Exactly what I was thinking. If I had a choice between a GT86 and an FR-S, I would pick the GT86 in a heartbeat. It has the best of both the FR-S and the BRZ with respect to interior and exterior.

I couldn't agree more- :w00t: direct response is the best thing for a car like this- It speaks to its heritage- which is part of the reason why I don' t like the idea either. Plust the convertible option is not targeted at the true enthusiast its targeted at the 30-50 year old woman who drives the convertible MX-5 and again that (the convertible) doesn't speak to its heritage either- I thought the whole point of this car was to look back and improve on what came before- As long as they give us the STI and TRD options:thumbup: I have no problem with them not giving us a turbo and drop-top

I dont understand this engine response malarkey - the 86 doesent have much torque(across the rev range), so when you put your foot down at say 4k you don't feel much response from the engine because there isnt enough power to raise the rev's quickly

if you added a turbo, then at 3000+ revs the boost (and therefore power) would help the engine turn the wheels meaning a more responsive throttle from 3000+ where as at the moment you have to wait until 6000 to get any response

I don't know :iono:

This is what happens because we (Americans) expect the best at a cheap price. Not necessarily a bad thing, but often times, especially with these cars, we get the shaft. Oh well. At least now I can tell all the haters who say "should've waited for a turbo version" to keep waiting lol

It really doesn't matter about history of the car or whom they market to, or what a person likes or doesn't like, if there is a market Toyota and Subaru will cater to it. They are still businesses there to make money if people are willing to hand it over.

big LOL in the face of the individuals that keep chanting to wait for a turbo model. I knew it would never happen in the US, and I barely expected it in other markets. It likely will be using a different engine entirely, anyways.

Seeing that the first year or two of production are essentially sold out the car does not in fact NEED more power. The market has spoken.

Stop saying that.

Everyone. Please. Stop saying things like that.

Buy your car and quit screwing it up for the rest of us :mad0259:

This is why we can't have nice things :cry:

Also -- they'll probably offer a Subaru BRZ with the turbo and then everyone will whine over why there isn't a Toyota version.

Well, there you go.

Car snobs happy now? :)

It really depends on how you enjoy driving. I'm not a guy who tracks either, but I enjoy the thrill of a sports car. The idea of sitting inside one, shifting gears, & the ability to open the throttle when needed is exhilarating.

My first car was a 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo. Fortunately for me, my dad picked out the car. I had originally just wanted a Chevy Cavalier...saving gas was my priority. I didn't know anything about cars back then (I thought that intake & vtec were the same thing), but the Supra changed my life. Like every young guy, I wanted to do so many things with my car. But with no $, I never did anything. I drove it bone stock since 2000 until I sold it 3 years ago (sitting in the driveway for 3 years with a leaky head gasket) for $900. My loss was someone else gain.

I'm a modest guy, so when people praised me for my car, I just accepted it kindly. Was it something to brag about? Yes! But it was MY car. That's all that mattered. When I was sitting in it, shifting gears at will, passing by slow drivers when I needed it, letting jerks go by without a fight....what mattered was that I enjoyed it.

Since then, I've bought a Toyota Camry, Acura TL, FJ Cruiser, & now Hyundai Sonata. What do I miss the most? Stick shift & the thrill of the drive. These cars can all go fast if you want them to...maybe not as fast as my beloved Supra, but fast enough to get places. But I'm not going to track it. When I get my FRS/BRZ, I'm planning to just keep it the way it is and smile when I drive it.

Just my "2 cents". :P

I have to see to believe it.

I really don't care much for a turbo or supercharger... Its just more costs & maintenance towards the vehicle. I rather spend it on other goodies for the car; wheels, suspension, exhaust, intake & etc. IMO I'm not a big turbo fan. Who cars if you go faster? Doesn't make your more of a man or bigger in certain areas, that people tend to compensate for... LOL! Plus, you'll have donkey's raising insurance prices for the car cause they think its fast & furious & wrap it around poles. The NA is perfect to me, especially on the FR-S/BRZ. One thing they should bring over for the FR-S next year is the GT version that's similar to the BRZ Limited. They would def have more buyers. The convertible I can see possibly being popular over here like the 240sx's convertibles were. Still waiting on a damn DGM BRZ Limited.... Might have to stick with Scion family if I get impatient.