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Four_wheel_drifts 12-07-2018 09:40 PM

Since beastronix is no more, what’s the alternative?
 
I checked in again with Beastronix. They’re not making and selling product for the foreseeable future.

I’m a DE instructor in the Pacific NW. There are many, many spring, fall and winter track days when my student’s session is finishing as my session has started. I hate sitting in the paddock, reving my engine at 4000+ rpm so it can get warm enough to do the pedal dance!

I have a winter two day event next month.

Is someone else offering a Beastronix comparable product for sale?

I read the threads where I can make my own 3 second defeat device. That’s NOT what I need. I need a fully, pedal dance at any temperature capable device. So not OFT with not only pedal dance enable.

Any leads are appreciated! Even used Beastronix would be fine.
Thank you.

Icecreamtruk 12-08-2018 01:59 AM

Interested in the results as well, im more or less in the same boat.

RJasonKlein 12-08-2018 11:08 PM

Me, too - I’ve been looking for one in the classifieds.

Totemo_Hayai 12-09-2018 01:34 AM

How does one tell if the pedal dance has been unsuccessful using OFT? I just got my FRS and tried using the OFT pedal dance feature once right after startup. A few lights came on so it appeared to be successful.


Edit: I just realized that my car is programmed to drop to regular idle speed right after startup. That might be why I don't have to wait for the car to warm up.

dutchman1 12-09-2018 04:46 PM

If the requisite for the pedal dance is the coolant temp sensor reading, you could just install an appropriate resistor in place of the sensor to simulate an appropriate reading. Downside of that would be you wouldn't know if your coolant is starting to run hot, you wouldn't know it.


This is done frequently in shops (especially diesel shops) to run diagnostics without having to wait for the engine to warm up. To figure out what resistor you'd need, you can buy (or probably borrow or rent) a resistor substitution box, dial it to the setting that provides the reading you want, and then install a resistor that matches the setting on the box.


I don't know if anyone wants to run on track without having an accurate coolant temp reading, but it's a simple way to do it. It may also affect your radiator fan engagement, if the fan kicks on/off based on coolant temp sensor data, then if you set the reading above the point where the fan kicks on it'll be permanently on, and vice versa.


Just a thought.

Trueweltall 12-10-2018 06:57 AM

The stock gauge is pretty inaccurate, if you're running on a track you should have your own dedicated gauge.

CSG Mike 12-10-2018 06:44 PM

With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

ichitaka05 12-10-2018 07:20 PM

That's bummer Beastronix stop making them. Good thing I bought it before hand.

Hope CSG or other shop can help it out, cuz I'm pretty sure there will be 86/BRZ owner who's interested in this system.

kch 12-10-2018 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

Interest++

Joesurf79 12-10-2018 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

I'd buy a spare. Especially one of the later models with the switches for pedal dance, abs, and fans

nico_rsx 12-10-2018 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dutchman1 (Post 3162231)
If the requisite for the pedal dance is the coolant temp sensor reading, you could just install an appropriate resistor in place of the sensor to simulate an appropriate reading. Downside of that would be you wouldn't know if your coolant is starting to run hot, you wouldn't know it.

You could always put the resistor on a switch somewhere below the dash.
Start the car, flip the switch to simulate correct temp, do pedal dance, and flip the switch back to return to accurate temp reading.

Totemo_Hayai 12-11-2018 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.


I'm ready to buy one.

CSG Mike 12-11-2018 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nico_rsx (Post 3162657)
You could always put the resistor on a switch somewhere below the dash.
Start the car, flip the switch to simulate correct temp, do pedal dance, and flip the switch back to return to accurate temp reading.

Not quite that simple unfortunately.

B T 12-11-2018 03:23 PM

I'll be selling my Beastronix module in coming months, setup with one button pedal dance, 2x abs disengage and hold for full fan. Removing the ABS module, so it won't be necessary anymore.

Code Monkey 12-11-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joesurf79 (Post 3162589)
I'd buy a spare. Especially one of the later models with the switches for pedal dance, abs, and fans

The default is two switches, one for pedal dance/abs (3 positions), the other for fans.

If you are thinking about the Nanny in my car, I asked for a custom three-switch setup, each with just 2 positions, on and off.

Joesurf79 12-11-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Code Monkey (Post 3162808)
The default is two switches, one for pedal dance/abs (3 positions), the other for fans.

If you are thinking about the Nanny in my car, I asked for a custom three-switch setup, each with just 2 positions, on and off.

How did you know what I was thinking ;)


Also, your car is hella fun. More fun than a legitimate street car has a right to be on track for sure.


I have to put down scorched earth times at MSR-H next time out to justify my car's existence LOL!

Tristor 12-11-2018 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.


I'd be interested. I had submitted their form 3 months ago for an 86Nanny v2 for a 2017 from Beastronix and never got a reply from them of any kind. This + a proper data logger is very much on my list for next year and if it was available to actually purchase an 86Nanny v2, I'd probably go ahead and buy right now.

Iceman 12-11-2018 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

Count me in, it was on my list for next season.

remhex 12-11-2018 10:02 PM

How many pre-orders do you need before production?

RJasonKlein 12-12-2018 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

I’m in, @CSG Mike - you know my number, so call me when you’re ready for me to order.

Turbo 12-12-2018 12:34 AM

Depending on the price, I'd be in too.



Edit: Anyone in Ontario, Canada have one of these I can take a look at?

weendogz 12-12-2018 01:21 AM

I am in for one unit, 2017+


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abemo 12-12-2018 01:11 PM

I'm in as well for something that has the same functionality (pedal dance, fan control, tpms) and options with switches for a 2017 +

FLYFISHR 12-12-2018 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo (Post 3162965)
Depending on the price, I'd be in too.



Edit: Anyone in Ontario, Canada have one of these I can take a look at?


:thumbup:

Stang70Fastback 12-12-2018 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

Ooooo, and I know several people who bought my switch panels so that they could wire their Beastronix units up to them! Plz make more and give me more business! Lol.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...79&oe=5C6381A4

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...28&oe=5CA8B065

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...30&oe=5C902820

strat61caster 12-12-2018 02:52 PM

Well there's something I didn't know I wanted...

conedodging 12-12-2018 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

Might be interested, can't remember if these were ruled legal for STX or not.

Stang70Fastback 12-12-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by conedodging (Post 3163123)
Might be interested, can't remember if these were ruled legal for STX or not.

I would imagine someone would have to be a complete ass to contest that, since all it's doing is saving you 10 seconds of looking like a moron every time you want to enable it, lol. In for the answer to this question, though, because some people are all about the technicalities.

ichitaka05 12-12-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 3163126)
I would imagine someone would have to be a complete ass to contest that, since all it's doing is saving you 10 seconds of looking like a moron every time you want to enable it, lol. In for the answer to this question, though, because some people are all about the technicalities.

I would assume shouldn't be an issue. Other tuning can technically disable and enable those kind of things and STX class allow tuning.

Keyword: "assume" ;)

Kenny_LongWrench 12-12-2018 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3162573)
With enough interest, more Beastronix units can be made and sold by CSG.

Count me in, too. :thumbsup:

CSG Mike 12-12-2018 05:18 PM

Hang tight guys. Beastronix is not gone forever! May be a few months, but should be before the season starts for most of the country.

strat61caster 12-12-2018 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conedodging (Post 3163123)
Might be interested, can't remember if these were ruled legal for STX or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 3163126)
I would imagine someone would have to be a complete ass to contest that, since all it's doing is saving you 10 seconds of looking like a moron every time you want to enable it, lol. In for the answer to this question, though, because some people are all about the technicalities.

I thought you couldn't disable ABS but turns out you can per 14.6.D so probably a gray area and a definite weenie protest since it doesn't do anything not already programmed into the car except for killing the ABS.

Stang70Fastback 12-12-2018 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3163177)
I thought you couldn't disable ABS but turns out you can per 14.6.D so probably a gray area and a definite weenie protest since it doesn't do anything not already programmed into the car except for killing the ABS.

Doesnt Beastronix just enable "Padal Dance Mode?" That doesn't disable ABS.

strat61caster 12-12-2018 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 3163179)
Doesnt Beastronix just enable "Padal Dance Mode?" That doesn't disable ABS.

It has a mode that disables ABS to prevent Ice Mode from happening.

https://support.beastronix.com/porta...the-86nanny-v2

CSG Mike 12-12-2018 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 3163179)
Doesnt Beastronix just enable "Padal Dance Mode?" That doesn't disable ABS.

Depends on configuration!

Stang70Fastback 12-12-2018 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3163186)
It has a mode that disables ABS to prevent Ice Mode from happening.

https://support.beastronix.com/porta...the-86nanny-v2

Ahh. Well that just sounds like a safety feature to me! :P

cjd 12-12-2018 09:46 PM

Unfortunately, for STX it potentially runs afoul of the "and nothing else" portion of the rule for systems that disable ABS electronically (the only legal way to do so).


If it were JUST pedal dance, you might be able to argue that it's an ABS disable feature, with a convenience option to do pedal dance the easy way (since you DO NOT NEED the device to do pedal dance)


With the fan switch mode, it might be too many 'convenience' features.


Anyone that protests for it is a pathetic sore loser, but...


Unless it is easy to break out each of the features into a separate box that's daisy-chained on the OBD circuit, you're taking a chance in STX with this.


I'd definitely be interested in acquiring one again - I sold my old one when I had to get the new car because the 17+ hadn't been resolved at the time... though disabling ABS turned nasty ice mode into flat-spotting, I've worked on my braking technique a LOT since then.

Evan55 12-13-2018 10:19 AM

Openflash tablet can disable traction control and ice mode too, correct?

conedodging 12-13-2018 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjd (Post 3163244)
Unfortunately, for STX it potentially runs afoul of the "and nothing else" portion of the rule for systems that disable ABS electronically (the only legal way to do so).


If it were JUST pedal dance, you might be able to argue that it's an ABS disable feature, with a convenience option to do pedal dance the easy way (since you DO NOT NEED the device to do pedal dance)


With the fan switch mode, it might be too many 'convenience' features.


Anyone that protests for it is a pathetic sore loser, but...


Unless it is easy to break out each of the features into a separate box that's daisy-chained on the OBD circuit, you're taking a chance in STX with this.


I'd definitely be interested in acquiring one again - I sold my old one when I had to get the new car because the 17+ hadn't been resolved at the time... though disabling ABS turned nasty ice mode into flat-spotting, I've worked on my braking technique a LOT since then.

It bothers me that both functions being in the same box is what matters. They're on separate switches, so each switch does only one function.

CSG Mike 12-13-2018 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjd (Post 3163244)
Unfortunately, for STX it potentially runs afoul of the "and nothing else" portion of the rule for systems that disable ABS electronically (the only legal way to do so).


If it were JUST pedal dance, you might be able to argue that it's an ABS disable feature, with a convenience option to do pedal dance the easy way (since you DO NOT NEED the device to do pedal dance)


With the fan switch mode, it might be too many 'convenience' features.


Anyone that protests for it is a pathetic sore loser, but...


Unless it is easy to break out each of the features into a separate box that's daisy-chained on the OBD circuit, you're taking a chance in STX with this.


I'd definitely be interested in acquiring one again - I sold my old one when I had to get the new car because the 17+ hadn't been resolved at the time... though disabling ABS turned nasty ice mode into flat-spotting, I've worked on my braking technique a LOT since then.

AC switch = fan switch. Just saying :)


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