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Pat 07-24-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by steverife (Post 3240491)
It isn't ideal, but...

In a 60 second run, you might have 5 or 6 instances where you get 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or maybe more limiter hits. Sometimes you would have to immediately downshift, sometimes there isn't really a chance to take your hand off the wheel to upshift and/or downshift.

Fair enough. I guess our understanding of the word "consistently" differs.

steverife 07-24-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat (Post 3240530)
Fair enough. I guess our understanding of the word "consistently" differs.

Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen anyone hold it like the new vid where the dude blows up a C5 in an apartment complex parking lot.

..but your initial post was sustain 7k and a lot of autocross happens at 7k+.

Dr. BRZ 07-24-2019 12:57 PM

If you don't redline at yours much, then you bought the wrong car. Sell it, buy a prius, and live your life old man ��

churchx 07-24-2019 12:58 PM

steverife: if mis-gearing is very common, and one happens to be lingering at redline too often/too long on most tracks one drives at .. imho different FD/gearing should be considered, no?

Lantanafrs2 07-24-2019 02:01 PM

I have to redline mine to out accelerate Florida SUVs. Some of those things are quick!

Nevermore 07-24-2019 02:58 PM

My main lament about my auto is the taller gears. It will hit 60 in 2nd so redlining is only possible above the legal limit. That being said, 5k is a beautiful sound.

Tokay444 07-24-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 3240492)
The only engines that have consistently blown are the ones with ridiculous redlines, like 9k. There is zero proof the stock redline will blow up cars.

Oiling issues aren't about the rev limit. Many cars would have oiling issues if you tracked them, because most cars you buy off of lots are not meant for that.

People that actually take care of their cars will be fine. You use your car in a way that the manufacturer did not expect, and you will have issues you need to correct. Every issue is correctable.

Stop pretending these are made to order race cars.

If you don’t think oil feeding/pressure and engine longevity at revs aren’t related, I’m not sure how to help you.
I just got back from an invite only Toyota Canada Track day, using my car the way they intended, and test driving the new Supra.

DocWalt 07-24-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3240552)
steverife: if mis-gearing is very common, and one happens to be lingering at redline too often/too long on most tracks one drives at .. imho different FD/gearing should be considered, no?


Can't change gearing in the autocross classes the 86 is competitive in.

mav1178 07-24-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3240552)
steverife: if mis-gearing is very common, and one happens to be lingering at redline too often/too long on most tracks one drives at .. imho different FD/gearing should be considered, no?

gearing change is only for those that run for fun or are otherwise not competing in classification based on vehicle spec, i.e. STX, etc.

if you change your gearing for autocross purposes, they'd classify you with one of the unlimited cars and then you're stuck running against cars with full slicks and aero. then the bigger question is, why autocross?

part of the "redline too long" on autocross courses is the course itself, it's temporary and often changes based on the venue. depending on who is designing it and the length between corners, for some cars it's an unfortunate reality that you'll be stuck at redline on some gears. it's sort of a tactical decision but each driver will approach the course differently... but this is uniquely an autocross problem. the same setup on a car can yield vastly different driving on the same venue if the course changes.

for open track days, gearing change is fine.

PulsarBeeerz 07-24-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3240651)
If you don’t think oil feeding/pressure and engine longevity at revs aren’t related, I’m not sure how to help you.
I just got back from an invite only Toyota Canada Track day, using my car the way they intended, and test driving the new Supra.

We are getting off topic but what do you think the solution is? I've seen engines that the casual enthusiast considers bulletproof F20c, K20A have oil issues issues as well in the upper revs.

churchx 07-24-2019 05:40 PM

mav1178: i wonder if higher redline can be made a bit less dangerous if ecu tune gets modified to not get max power if past stock redline, but to gradually reduce it .. yes, at high rpms oiling gets inadequate, but if you require from 8K rpms only eg. 30% of max power, that should reduce a bit wear/risks, and still be more effective then bouncing off limiter at 7.4K?

Lantanafrs2 07-24-2019 06:54 PM

Toyota figured out how to rev it higher 5 years ago. Maybe only for a few laps though lol


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