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TylerLieberman 09-20-2018 02:23 PM

2018 BRZ Ts C&D Lightning Lap
 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1899/4...fae635fc_b.jpg

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...inglap2018cars

Lightning Lap results posted. 5.7 seconds faster than the 2017 BRZ PP. 6.8 seconds faster than the 2016 MX5 Club. Not too shabby.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-r93ZlCAc[/ame]

Entroper 09-20-2018 04:40 PM

I've been waiting to see some more track results for the tS, because IMO it's more representative (most people who go to a track are going to ditch the Primacies pretty quickly). Nice to see it picked up almost 6 seconds around VIR, that's about 2-3 seconds on a shorter track. It's too bad they didn't have an ND2 this year, but I expect the extra 26 hp won't be quite enough to catch up.

TylerLieberman 09-20-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 3135617)
I've been waiting to see some more track results for the tS, because IMO it's more representative (most people who go to a track are going to ditch the Primacies pretty quickly). Nice to see it picked up almost 6 seconds around VIR, that's about 2-3 seconds on a shorter track. It's too bad they didn't have an ND2 this year, but I expect the extra 26 hp won't be quite enough to catch up.

To give an example, MT had the 2019 MX5 at their Best Driver's Car test this week. It lapped Laguna Seca 2.2 seconds faster than the 2016 MX5 Club (which ran 1:50.68).

1:48.47 was the time. Just over a second behind the 2015 STI. The 2013 BRZ ran a 1:51.3 so about 3 seconds behind.

I think it'd be really close between the two cars regardless of the track.

Entroper 09-20-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 3135629)
To give an example, MT had the 2019 MX5 at their Best Driver's Car test this week. It lapped Laguna Seca 2.2 seconds faster than the 2016 MX5 Club (which ran 1:50.68).

1:48.47 was the time. Just over a second behind the 2015 STI. The 2013 BRZ ran a 1:51.3 so about 3 seconds behind.

I think it'd be really close between the two cars regardless of the track.


Nice, 2.2 is pretty significant at Laguna. VIR is definitely more of a power track, I think that's why both previous iterations of the BRZ on Primacies still led the MX-5. Hopefully we'll see more comparisons of the best versions of both cars.

funwheeldrive 09-20-2018 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 3135563)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1899/4...fae635fc_b.jpg

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...inglap2018cars

Lightning Lap results posted. 5.7 seconds faster than the 2017 BRZ PP. 6.8 seconds faster than the 2016 MX5 Club. Not too shabby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-r93ZlCAc

I'm sure a huge part of the difference between the Performance Package and the tS is the wheels/tires. I wonder what kind of time the Performance Package would run if it had the tS wheels.

Summerwolf 09-20-2018 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 3135681)
I'm sure a huge part of the difference between the Performance Package and the tS is the wheels/tires. I wonder what kind of time the Performance Package would run if it had the tS wheels.

It's all the downforce from the wang.......duh.

Torque dip at 1:46.

strat61caster 09-21-2018 09:33 PM

Wasn't the last brz tested in the wet?

Edit: ah PS4S is probably the rest of the improvement.

Blue Bird 09-22-2018 01:43 AM

I am impressed by the track package 4banger camaro. American manufacturers really stepped their game up lately

DarkSunrise 09-22-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3136099)
Edit: ah PS4S is probably the rest of the improvement.

Looks like it's the PS4, not 4S.

Isn't the BRZ TS supposed to be track-focused? Seems silly that Subaru put the regular PS4 tire on there instead of the PS4-S or Cup 2. Not sure what they were thinking as it would have made a 1-1.5 second difference over a 1 minute lap.

Still, 4.6 seconds improvement overall for the TS vs. the 2013 BRZ is not bad.

WolfpackS2k 09-25-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3136099)
Wasn't the last brz tested in the wet?

Edit: ah PS4S is probably the rest of the improvement.

Agreed. The BRZ tested last year was on a damp track. IIRC it's lap time was horrible and significantly slower than the BRZ tested there years before (2013 I think?).

TylerLieberman 09-25-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 3136285)
Not sure what they were thinking as it would have made a 1-1.5 second difference over a 1 minute lap.

Still, 4.6 seconds improvement overall for the TS vs. the 2013 BRZ is not bad.

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3137189)
Agreed. The BRZ tested last year was on a damp track. IIRC it's lap time was horrible and significantly slower than the BRZ tested there years before (2013 I think?).

2013 BRZ - 3:18.6
2017 BRZ PP - 3:19.7
2018 BRZ tS - 3:14.0

Considering VIR is a fairly long circuit and the '17 was 1 second behind the '13 on a cool, dry track, I'm willing to guess the '17 would've lapped somewhere in the 3:16 range. C&D said the track was dry but there were a few standing puddles on track.

Good tires definitely helped and while I don't really care about adding F/I to the vehicle, I can't help but wonder what kind of results would come if the car had a bit more grunt in the top end and less of a torque dip in the mid range.

WolfpackS2k 09-25-2018 03:08 PM

Also worth pointing out that the track was repaved and slightly modified a few years ago, which made it faster.

TylerLieberman 09-25-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3137325)
Also worth pointing out that the track was repaved and slightly modified a few years ago, which made it faster.

So then in all reality.... the tS might not really be any faster than the '13 :lol:

Obviously that isn't the case, because of the suspension/chassis improvements and tires. But perhaps the difference between the two is marginal.

I'm surprised nobody has done a direct comparison between the standard vehicle and the tS on a road course side by side.

chaoskaze 09-25-2018 05:27 PM

no surprise really...lol

we all know the primacy & amount of grip it offers. :p


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