All-new BRZ scheduled for 2021-2022
 

According to Automotive news:

"BRZ: The low-volume coupe, along with the jointly developed Toyota 86, likely will be redesigned in 2021. When the second generation arrives, it's expected to have more power, a lower center of gravity and possibly Subaru's EyeSight safety system, according to Japanese press reports."

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...lobal-platform

Don't think Eyesight belongs in it...but the rest sounds good.

"likely" "expected"

i hope they do redesign, and i hope they do it well. please make the car more beautiful and not a botched plastic surgery job

somewhat off topic: i thought it was really interesting that the new supra will have a lower COG than the twins

Clickbait. Each new article pushes the date back. Lol. 2019, 2020 and now it'll be 2021 lol

Ban autonews links on this site please.

How does everybody like he all new turbo second gen BRZ that all the auto “news” promised was coming in 2018 based on Japanese news.
As long as people still give them clicks they will write stories.

The new 2021 Subaru BRZ with an all-new 1.6L turbocharged engine making 215 horsepower!

Oh God please. Call it a briesta. It would only sell in Europe.

most people want something new, exciting , but will it be better? Most likely it will cost more then $26k

All-new BRZ scheduled for 2021-2022
 

That sounds great actually, as long as it revs to 8000.

"expected to have .....a lower center of gravity" While increasing wheel gap....

The small displacement 4 bangers that are popping up in so many cars now tend to have low redlines and small turbos that have a good mid range punch and not much top end... so an 8k redline with a small turbo motor isn’t terribly likely.

That's cause they are economy focused and have a small turbo for the size of the engine. Up the turbo a size and throw a hotter cam in and that can be fixed. Not saying it will be, just daydreaming.

In the extremely unlikely scenario that they did a big turbo on a small engine with a hot cam... it would have a less than stellar powerband and would have a hard time meeting ever stricter emissions standards.
I really don’t wish for a turbo in the BRZ (I’ve owned many turbo cars, but I just don’t think it fits the character of the BRZ), but I wouldn’t complain about a larger displacement boxer engine with a smoothed out mid-range powerband.

Some corporate guys were telling me about the new WRX and STI earlier this month, but they don't know anything about a 2nd-Gen BRZ except that it's a possibility.

That's because AutoNews is full of shit.

... the really sad part about this thread is that people actually read the article enough to quote it...

Let this one die folks. :burnrubber:

Been on the forum 5 years now, and at least 6 times each year someone posts an auto news article which a title like "ALL NEW BRZ/FRS/86 SLATED FOR ****" or "86/FRS/BRZ CANCELLED!?" click bait posts plus click bait articles and then someone below the post gets into a fight with someone else over validity of something


:sigh: Wish people would stop acting like their the first person seeing an article then immediately posting on the forum.

The only "corporate" people that would know about it are in Japan, autonews is a click bait website...

Turbo 2.4 AWD, KERS, Carbon fiber body, ceramic brakes.

It's true, a guy I don't know at the pub told me..��

I'll believe it when I see it.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ba...-updates-ring/

Hmm. I don’t know what to believe anymore.


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I'm betting that is just another special edition.





Regardless, I still think getting a 2nd gen is more likely than Toyobaru ending things.

I'm not so sure. Yes, it has the PP/RS style wheels but...
Where are the Brembos? Where is the rear wing/spoiler/air deflector?

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ba...-updates-ring/

One site starts the ball rolling with s eork of fiction then the others run with it. Believe none until it comes directly from the companies. Even then reserve a little doubt because they screw up facts as well on occasion.
There will be more stories based on these.

it is indeed odd but it appears to even have the updated MY19 rear fender fins. maybe just another mid-cycle refresh?

It has silver mirrors too.... [emoji848]

It’s obviously the BRZ STI:bonk:

I don't know but my gut feeling is there will never be a second generation brz/86. Time will tell.

to boost sales they will CUV it
https://autowise.com/subaru-cross-sp...oad-going-brz/

100k a year volume, all the soccer moms can haz sports!

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The way the japanese are going more and more people will move to Korean cars if they keep releasing things like the stinger and i30n. The japanese are not exciting anybody.

think you're not really giving them credit but I hope ya know those 2 models compete in rather small slices of the pie...sadly in many cases too small of a slice for a company like Toyota to care about competing in. Don't think either of those will displace a Accord or Camry anytime soon :iono: ...gotta keep in mind, most consumers don't care about driving something exciting...if that was the case, F150, RAV4 & CRV wouldn't be leading the sales charts by a big margin.

With Subaru slashing profits due to recall anyone still expecting a next gen BRZ/86 ?

Sales have shown the last 2-3 years, that American buyers aren't wanting sedans. They are buying trucks , SUV's , and cross-overs. This is all fact. Sedan sales have slowed

Americans must be living phat on the land (in general, no pun), sucking that gas... given those vehicles (sub 25 mpg)

I mean, if you think about it, it's kind of true. In the 90s and early 00s, Japanese performance vehicles were hitting well above their weight.

You had sports coupes that were posting respectable numbers against V8 muscle cars and you had sport sedans that were capable of hanging with german sports cars and exotic, high end vehicles. Now, not quite so much. The STI can't even hang with today's current Mustang or Camaro around a road course. CTR can't either, though it's a bit closer matchup.

Japan still produces quality vehicles, I think. Their simplistic commuter vehicles and such still do exactly what they were intended to do, but the selection is mostly vanilla. Look at Nissan. They pretty much throw some red pinstripes on every car and call it a Nismo. Similar to what BMW and MB are doing with M and AMG badges.

I know they do it because they sell, but it's pretty bland. Mitsubishi has nothing exciting. Toyota is pretty bland (86 aside). And the list goes on.

Times are changing, but it would be great to see more offerings from different companies. I was actually really hopeful with the 86/BRZ coming out that more companies would follow and produce their own vehicle, but so far, nobody's done it. Mazda keeps talking about another RX7 and Honda about another S2000. But still, nothing concrete yet.

The main reason being, is all manufactures are focusing on increasing MPG (EPA regulations) , so that's where a good chunk of their R&D is going towards. Efficiency , that is the name of the game (our reality). Can you have higher (better) by 5-10% more efficiency , as well as sport / fun to drive out of a vehicle (gas only, or hybrid, or... or), sure , but it's going to take lots of gumption to pull that off.

I still believe in a 2021 BRZ/86 with 2.4L naturally aspirated motor. We’ll finally have something that bests the S2000 stock.

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Is it going to be more fuel efficient ? 2L to a 2.4L ? I doubt it. If they do a 2L turbo (220 hp, close to the same torque), along with some kind of hybrid system ( some kind of eco mode around town, so instead of getting 22-24mpg around town out of a NA 2L, you're getting 30-35 mpg around town), solid 38-42mpg highway, that would be sweet. Keep weight at around 2800 lbs

Or.... or, even better do a small 6cyl boxer , like a 2.7L . On highway and city driving (eco mode) cut off the two middle cylinders ( so now it's a 1.8L) with some kind of further hybrid system around town. That thing should (possibly) get mid-30's mpg city , mid 40's hwy . Yet, you'd have the 2.7L on full bore going on on-ramps, going 0-70mph , should be a solid 260hp / 230 torque rig

People can try and dodge the whole fuel efficiency thing, it's important , or it isn't important .... need it/want it / don't care, what ever. The reality is, that is our reality. Increase MPG , while somehow increasing torque ( keep weight similar, with in 2-4%).

It's easy to increase HP/torque thru displacement , more cylinders, FI (possibly MPG stays the same or goes down). Not so easy to increase MPG, yet keeping the fun to drive aspect intact.