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TachyonBomb 07-13-2018 08:49 PM

Buddy Club Version 2 tail light Issue
 
In the Buddy Club instructions that come with the tail lights it claims that 2017+ cars don't need to install the provided LED relay switch.

I installed the tail lights on my 2017 brz and the sequential turn signal mode doesn't work. But the normal non-sequential mode works fine.

Here is a video of what the sequential mode turned on looks like with the factory denso relay switch installed.

https://imgur.com/Q5W4ctN

I contacted the shop that sold me the tail lights to see what sort of feedback they are getting from other 2017+ customers.

Their reply stated that 2017+ needed the buddy club relay switch installed and the sequential function would only when the hazards are activated but not when using the turn signal.

So I installed the provided buddy club LED relay switch and the turn signal does not function at all whether in sequential mode or normal mode.

After some hunting a found a guy in Korea that showed that both turn signal and hazard sequential functions should work at the same time on a 2017+ car.

Here is a video showing the sequential function working for turn signals and hazard mode.

https://imgur.com/mVNoPZy

So what exactly needs to be done to get the sequential function to perform normally?

LED86 07-14-2018 05:52 PM

Sounds like you need a new LED relay. Try that first

NRXRaptor 07-14-2018 08:34 PM

I'm actually having almost the exact same problem with the ft86speedfactory headlights. non sequential works fine, sequential+hazards works fine, and turn signal+sequential gives hyperflash. I'm pretty damn sure that I need a hyperflash relay

TachyonBomb 07-14-2018 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LED86 (Post 3110239)
Sounds like you need a new LED relay. Try that first

So are you suggesting that I need a new factory "denso" LED relay?

or

Are you suggesting that the Buddy Club LED relay that came with the tail lights could be bad?

my issue with the Buddy Club relay seeming like its broken is that the instructions state pretty clearly that the 2017+ year cars don't need the relay.

I remember seeing a thread a while ago that mentioned the wires in some tail lights need to be switched to have sequential functions work properly with north american cars. But this was an old thread and they where talking about an older style of lights. I can't seem to find that thread unfortunately to compare if this is the same issue.

kevinpantz 07-14-2018 11:16 PM

Interested to see if you figure out what causes the issue. I was so close to ordering these today too and by chance you posted this today while I'm searching the forums about it.

fx1mark 07-15-2018 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3110271)
So are you suggesting that I need a new factory "denso" LED relay?

or

Are you suggesting that the Buddy Club LED relay that came with the tail lights could be bad?

my issue with the Buddy Club relay seeming like its broken is that the instructions state pretty clearly that the 2017+ year cars don't need the relay.

I remember seeing a thread a while ago that mentioned the wires in some tail lights need to be switched to have sequential functions work properly with north american cars. But this was an old thread and they where talking about an older style of lights. I can't seem to find that thread unfortunately to compare if this is the same issue.


It sure looks like hypeflash. I would order a cheap aftermarket non-hyperflash relay and see if that solves the problem. less that 10 bucks.

gpvecchi 07-15-2018 05:18 PM

It looks that the ON time from the relay is too low

Aluma007 07-15-2018 09:54 PM

I had the same problem with the original Buddy clubs, the stock relay and the buddy club relay and some other one didn't work either...I went back and forth with FT86speedfactory with different relays until they sent me a highpower one. That made everything work correctly on my 2017.

TachyonBomb 07-15-2018 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aluma007 (Post 3110521)
I had the same problem with the original Buddy clubs, the stock relay and the buddy club relay and some other one didn't work either...I went back and forth with FT86speedfactory with different relays until they sent me a highpower one. That made everything work correctly on my 2017.

Is the brand called HighPower? Do you have a link to the exact relay that worked for you?

Aluma007 07-16-2018 02:54 PM

sorry, spelling error. I really dont know the brand, but they told me it was a high power 150 watts one. I just installed it and never really checked. They probably have it on their website.

NRXRaptor 07-16-2018 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aluma007 (Post 3110746)
sorry, spelling error. I really dont know the brand, but they told me it was a high power 150 watts one. I just installed it and never really checked. They probably have it on their website.

duly noted. my problem was semi solved by turning the car on. now when the alternator is sending power to the turn signals, they work most of the time in sequential mode, but I still get hyperflash sometimes. hopefully op gets a hyperflash relay and his problems are solved

TachyonBomb 07-17-2018 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor (Post 3110949)
duly noted. my problem was semi solved by turning the car on. now when the alternator is sending power to the turn signals, they work most of the time in sequential mode, but I still get hyperflash sometimes. hopefully op gets a hyperflash relay and his problems are solved

Ordered a 150W hyper flash relay off amazon today for $11 with prime shipping. so I should be able to let you know on Wednesday how it works out. :thumbsup:

NRXRaptor 07-19-2018 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3110968)
Ordered a 150W hyper flash relay off amazon today for $11 with prime shipping. so I should be able to let you know on Wednesday how it works out. :thumbsup:

my breath is still bated

TachyonBomb 07-19-2018 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor (Post 3112141)
my breath is still bated

Because of "Prime Day" Amazon has been lagging with shipping. My tracking shows that it was delivered yesterday. I called amazon last night saying it was a no show. Amazon said it was an error on their part and will be arriving today.

To add to the whole clusterfuck, Amazon delivered my neighbors prime day shipment to my mailbox this morning by mistake. :bonk:

...So I'm just as anxious as you are haha.

NRXRaptor 07-19-2018 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3112277)
Because of "Prime Day" Amazon has been lagging with shipping. My tracking shows that it was delivered yesterday. I called amazon last night saying it was a no show. Amazon said it was an error on their part and will be arriving today.

To add to the whole clusterfuck, Amazon delivered my neighbors prime day shipment to my mailbox this morning by mistake. :bonk:

...So I'm just as anxious as you are haha.

alas. subispeed was of no help. this was their (well, Brian's) reply to my question:

(me) When I have these headlights in sequential mode, sometimes I get hyperblink when I'm driving and sometimes not. No hyperblink when I turn on the hazards. When they're in normal mode I get no hyperblink. Is this something that can be solved with a hyperflash relay?

(Brian) Hello,


Yes it does sound like that issue could be remedied with the below item,


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RPDbcOfqY[/ame]



Regards,
Brian

first unprofessional response I've got from anyone ever. rip one customer. good thing 86speed exists. let me know if I worded my question like an asshole but it doesn't seem like it

TachyonBomb 07-20-2018 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor (Post 3112285)
alas. subispeed was of no help. this was their (well, Brian's) reply to my question:

(me) When I have these headlights in sequential mode, sometimes I get hyperblink when I'm driving and sometimes not. No hyperblink when I turn on the hazards. When they're in normal mode I get no hyperblink. Is this something that can be solved with a hyperflash relay?

(Brian) Hello,


Yes it does sound like that issue could be remedied with the below item,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RPDbcOfqY



Regards,
Brian

first unprofessional response I've got from anyone ever. rip one customer. good thing 86speed exists. let me know if I worded my question like an asshole but it doesn't seem like it

Wow that's a **** move on their part. Honestly they run an online parts shop where every product can be found for cheaper by scrolling 3 to 5 links down on the same google search results. They are the #UsedCarMiddleMen in the clip they linked to you. :iono:

So nothing showed up on amazon today. Looks like they are ****ing me around too. I ordered the same relay from ebay a couple of hours ago. Ebay states it will be here Monday or Tuesday. If the Amazon one magically shows up before the ebay relay then I'll send you the extra.

Also I have an email from buddy club stating to get a relay more or less from 86Speed. The English was kind of broken but that seemed to be the jist of it lol.

NRXRaptor 07-21-2018 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3112368)
Wow that's a **** move on their part. Honestly they run an online parts shop where every product can be found for cheaper by scrolling 3 to 5 links down on the same google search results. They are the #UsedCarMiddleMen in the clip they linked to you. :iono:

So nothing showed up on amazon today. Looks like they are ****ing me around too. I ordered the same relay from ebay a couple of hours ago. Ebay states it will be here Monday or Tuesday. If the Amazon one magically shows up before the ebay relay then I'll send you the extra.

Also I have an email from buddy club stating to get a relay more or less from 86Speed. The English was kind of broken but that seemed to be the jist of it lol.

a lot of parts for our cars come from Nippon for two obvious reasons lol. 86speed said definitely get a hyperflash relay and its on the way. just like you said it costs less than at subispeed lol only $20 shipped and I splurged for the "fancy" one that lets you adjust the rate at which the indicators blink

TachyonBomb 07-25-2018 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor (Post 3112754)
a lot of parts for our cars come from Nippon for two obvious reasons lol. 86speed said definitely get a hyperflash relay and its on the way. just like you said it costs less than at subispeed lol only $20 shipped and I splurged for the "fancy" one that lets you adjust the rate at which the indicators blink

UPDATE:

I ended up calling amazon on saturday and getting a refund for the relay that never came.

But guess what.... yesterday both the amazon and ebay relays I ordered came in! Gotta love amazons loose return policies.n:party0030:

Amazon is on the left and ebay is on the right.

https://i.imgur.com/Kn8zeVC.jpg

I tested both relays and they both work properly. Turning speed slowed down to normal and sequential function work.

Here is a video for those interested.

https://imgur.com/dVKVQUJ

@NRXRaptor Well if you already ordered a relay I guess ill just sell the extra I got or see if I can get a second return/refund on ebay :bonk: lol

Also give an update when you get the adjustable relay installed. I was about to get one but since I never saw anyone on here use them I couldn't pull the trigger.

NRXRaptor 07-26-2018 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TachyonBomb (Post 3114402)
UPDATE:

I ended up calling amazon on saturday and getting a refund for the relay that never came.

But guess what.... yesterday both the amazon and ebay relays I ordered came in! Gotta love amazons loose return policies.n:party0030:

Amazon is on the left and ebay is on the right.

https://i.imgur.com/Kn8zeVC.jpg

I tested both relays and they both work properly. Turning speed slowed down to normal and sequential function work.

Here is a video for those interested.

https://imgur.com/dVKVQUJ

@NRXRaptor Well if you already ordered a relay I guess ill just sell the extra I got or see if I can get a second return/refund on ebay :bonk: lol

Also give an update when you get the adjustable relay installed. I was about to get one but since I never saw anyone on here use them I couldn't pull the trigger.

I installed it. its got this weird quirk where the first blink holds for a full second before it starts blinking in a normal cadence. its like it just holds it for blinks 1, 2, and 3. the adjust-ability works just fine though. can go from really fast to really slow

dhuang 07-26-2018 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor (Post 3114570)
its got this weird quirk where the first blink holds for a full second before it starts blinking in a normal cadence. its like it just holds it for blinks 1, 2, and 3.

I noticed with the 86/BRZ turn signals, even when stock, the first flash stays on longer than future blinks. You especially notice this if your turn signals are sequential -- I could easily tell with my Valenti Revo's and 2017's (seen below).

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wi3IOzAmmA[/ame]

LED86 07-26-2018 07:29 PM

The first blink delay will happen with all led relays. Most people can ignore it. Otherwise you need to pony up and get a Valenti or tapturn relay which won’t have the delay issue.

NRXRaptor 07-27-2018 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhuang (Post 3114608)
I noticed with the 86/BRZ turn signals, even when stock, the first flash stays on longer than future blinks. You especially notice this if your turn signals are sequential -- I could easily tell with my Valenti Revo's and 2017's (seen below).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wi3IOzAmmA

yeeeeah I have sequential turns front and back so it holds for what seems like a full second lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by LED86 (Post 3114864)
The first blink delay will happen with all led relays. Most people can ignore it. Otherwise you need to pony up and get a Valenti or tapturn relay which won’t have the delay issue.

Thanks for the info. I'm about to start living on borrowed money for the next couple years (god bless america) so I might just live with the extra long first turn signal. I'm already used to it and taking out that relay is an immense female dog. Probably wouldn't be so bad the second time though


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