it is not about being a careless dumbass, it is about the idea that turning tc off is normal. And yes, tc can absolutely help if you go too fast into a corner, that is what it is for. There is nothing wrong with doing it safely like normal people like you and me and others do. Young inexperienced drivers are not capable of making calculated risks, yet are lead to believe tc is useless. That is the real problem.

it is always possible to spin the car even with tc. I'm just saying there is a time and a place, and the track is that. So many of these crashes are because inexperienced drivers turn off tc and behave recklessly. TC might not have saved them, but then again it could have.

I just think the community needs to stress not to turn tc off unless you know how to drive and know what you are doing. Especially since the value of these cars are dropping to where even kids will be able to buy them easily. Our driver training sucks.

The larger issue with inexperienced drivers is a lack of understanding in handling characteristics between FWD and RWD, and how they behave at the limits.
When combined with a lack of respect for the car, it results in mustangs spinning off into crowds of people.

Learning those limits in a safe environment is key, whether it be track or a empty parking lot. It really should be a part of driver training in North America, especially with us who see snow yearly.

Too many opinions on here now. It's like a bunch of old people complaining about kids going on their lawn.

..but it doesn't...if you go 60 MPH around a 30 MPH corner like in OP's case, TC isn't going to do shit..again, TC ain't the issue here, it is entirely bad judgement :thumbdown: plenty of folks here have crashed and spun out with TC on because it is there for people who are trying to have grip and don't want to spin out, not to save you when you're being a clown...hence why Toyota is trying to make shit like auto emergency brake and other safety features standard even on the next Supra >.< if TC was so important and vital then older cars and bikes would be banned for being unsafe without it and car companies wouldn't give drivers the choice to turn it off anytime they wanted...it is called Traction Control after all, not Stupidity Control..

Traction control like all safety systems is essentially math.

The equation still works the following way:

INPUT > PROCESS > OUTPUT

Garbage in > Process > Garbage Out.

If you're going to be stupid, barring the car being automated and then deny you your own autonomy, then it cannot 'save your ass' if you purposely put yourself in danger.

Guys, I'm not a religious person at all, but it seems like the expression God giveth and God taketh away is about as close to perfect as it gets. This accident has really taken a toll on me this last week, I've had trouble sleeping and I've been worrying about what will happen to my insurance rates, and if I'll be able to afford the car. I learned my lesson, believe me.

But today I received news that my transfer has gone through to a different trade in the military! Which means I'll be making over DOUBLE what I make now in the next year!!!! I'm not religious but man today it sure feels like someone is watching over me. Everything's going to be OK after all.

Now just don't screw it up. Take your time, and get formal instruction and everything will be gucci.

Please, please close this thread as I feel for the OP.. The OP can't move on as the post is resurected each time we post something... Most of the posts are telling the poor OP that he fucked up!!

Agree. Some people are also a little too vocal about his mistakes.

Faith in humanity -20.