When in drive, pulling on the ebrake shuts off the daytime LEDS
 

I have a 2017 frs auto. What's the reasoning behind this?

yup pretty normal...the DRLs only come on to signify the car is moving. I'm sure just like the pre-facelift headlights you might be able to rewire it or get a harness adapter to keep them always on.

This... normal

This is not just normal for our platform, but is pretty common-place across most cars, regardless of brand. Engaging the e-brake will usually shut off ALL lighting on the exterior of the vehicle.

As for reasoning behind it, who knows? But it's nothing new and nothing to be concerned about.

The older style drl is one high beam headlight on at half power. Turning it off was my first mod.

I have the HID/LED headlights of Monogram. Does the same thing.

Read the manual. It talks about this (and many other things).

The reason behind it is pretty straightforward: It would be really annoying if you couldn't turn the lights off while the car was parked with the engine running at night. Also they're running lights, not parking lights.

What?????? There is a manual? Next you are going to tell me it is hidden in a secret door just fwd of the passenger! But what if I need to know what kind of oil to put in it, or how to use the radio Shirley that is not in there.

For the old guys and a very limited number of the younger ones

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And yes I have had my FRS at the drive in movies and knew how to turn the lights off.

hmm? if it is at nighttime then your lights will always be on granted your headlight stalk is set to auto or on, your parking brake will never override that..

Maybe it's normal with Toyota but I've had nissan and mitsu's and neither of them have this peculiar behavior.

I'm talking about in case of brake failure at night and you have to use the ebrake (yes, it's not the drifting handle) your saying it will shut off all lights? I don't think that's correct and if it is, extremely dangerous, if that were the case.

This thread is about the Daytime Running Lights. Not about all of the other lights on the car. I never said it shuts off all of the lights. Just the DRLs. The other lights aren't even linked to the DRLs. They operate completely independently based upon the position of the light control switch on the stalk.

If the headlights are on, I don't believe it would shut the actual headlights off, because as you alluded to, that would be dangerous.

But if you are, let's say, backing into a parking spot, and you turn the headlights off and then pull the e-brake up, all exterior lights that remain on (running lights) would turn off when the e-brake is engaged.

You're probably right; not EVERY car will have this feature, but it's become pretty common-place it seems.

This is not properly worded. The ONLY lights that respond to the handbrake are the FRONT DRLs. NO OTHER LIGHTS respond to the position of the handbrake. Your running lights would remain on if they were on.

There are a lot of people making assumptions here, or saying incorrect things. This isn't very complicated, nor is it hard to just spend 30 seconds with your car to figure out how it all works, but for those who are still confused:

1. Daytime Running Lamps: These turn on automatically when the handbrake is released. The ONLY time they are not on is if the handbrake is engaged, and/or your main headlights are on.

2. Parking/Running Lights: These turn on when you switch the headlight control stalk to the associated position. Turning these on has NO effect on your DRLs, and they are also in no way "connected" to the parking brake. They stay on as long as they are switched on. Period.

3. Headlights: These turn on automatically based on brightness if you have the stalk set to Auto, or turn on when you manually turn them on. When they are turned on, the DRLs are disabled. These are also in no way connected to the operation of the parking brake.

Someone can feel free to step in if the Scion FR-S operates differently, but I would assume it functions in the same way.

Unfortunately, you have a common misconception about what that handle is for. It is listed, in the manual and elsewhere, as a PARKING brake. It is not an Emergency or E-brake, and will likely fail fairly quickly if you used it in an emergency situation at speed. If your brakes fail, downshifting would probably be a more effective emergency slowing solution than yanking on something that is just designed to keep a car in place.

This has been normal on all cars since the 80s when daylight running lights became the norm for most places. I have had 8 Mitsubishis and they all did it. The e brake will only turn off the daylight running lights if pulled while stopped. It does not shut everything off if they are all turned on at any time. Go try it on any car and you will see that it is real and normal.

Yep, the term "emergency brake" (which I will probably always call it) was from the beginning of cars up until the 70s or so. Back in the "they don't build them like they used too" days the brake systems were a single set of lines run by one master. If your lost brake pressure you lost it to all the brakes at the same time. In that case the "e brake" was exactly that. It was for emergency stopping with parking being the secondary function. Once they started using dual system brakes (one for front and one for back) the brake became more of a parking brake that could be used in emergencies. Those emergencies became secondary since they were so much less likely.

FRS and pretty much every other car works exactly the same. None of this is new.

Omg.....I found the door!!!! It blended in so well! I bet you didn't know about the secret lever next to the seat that opens up another secret door on the right side of the car. That one had a double secret mechanism that turned counter clockwise. After I opened it, it was dark in there and I didn't have my flashlight so I used a match.

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Rednecks please don't try this at home.

Meh. Might as well get some mileage out of it after all the hard work:


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I also call it the "tailgater check brake" as it doesn't light up your tails on the asshole riding up your butt. Usually makes them experience a good panic brake and then they learn stay back and give some adequate stopping room.

Another function before having my BRZ was to slow a speeding car without dropping the front when approaching an officer; however, the BRZ DRLs basically advertised that I was braking using the e-brake/parking brake so there went that use...

That looks like a whole lot of MANUAL labor there Tcoat!

It's a parking brake

If you knew that you would also know there is a manual [transmission] (ba dum tshhh)

I'll see myself out

*labour.

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My bad, I forgot!

I was hoping someone would catch it!!

Tcoat you never disappoint me!

Sorry. That's an octothorpe #

This is a splat *
or an asshole (*) per Vonnegut.

Wiki is not always right. The reason it got a nickname as ebrake is because it is mechanically connected to the brakes. And could be deployed instantly. These days cars are becoming equiped with electronic "E BRAKES" (lmao) which makes them not e brakes anymore. And truly and ONLY parking brakes. Try pulling your electronic E BRAKE YO and see what happens.

How does one downshift a CVT? They dont have "gears", so can you do anything other than just keep you foot off the gas let the speed drop on its own with engine braking?

Many CVTs are programmed to mimic a standard transmission, with stepped ratios, and most of them also have a manual mode that allows you to use paddle shifters to shift between preset ratios. The new Subaru Aspen, for example, operates this way.

So does the new Impreza. I was actually really impressed with how they simulate shifts since one of the things that freaked me out with CVTs was the steady power band. "SHIFT DAMNIT SHIFT Don't just go steadily faster it isn't natural"

Yeah, I was in one of the older Crosstreks with the CVT that did normal CVT stuff, and it definitely made me uncomfortable when it revved up to like 6k and just STAYED there the entire time. Like I understood that was where the power was, and it made sense for it to sit there, but it was still awkward, and made it feel like I was beating on the engine, lol.

Now, about what that stick coming up from the floor is called ……. to me it will always be an "emergency brake".

Why?

I reckon it goes back to my younger days of driving our old Ford farm truck. Heading to town to the grain elevator with a full load of grain, driving a truck with mechanical brakes, and you go to apply the brakes and the pedal goes straight to the floor ….. no sense in trying the second time …… because if a clevis in the cable system came lose … that was it.


Yep, after you have downshifted to the lowest gear you could get into …… and you're still moving forward ……. what do you grab for ……. nope, not the "parking brake" …… you grab and pull hard on the EMERGENCY brake …….:eyebulge:


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I call it a parking brake, or a handbrake, because I use it every time I park my car/truck/bus (the way you're supposed to). Which is about 1 bazillion times more often than I use it because of brake failure. So... the vast majority of the time, it's being used as a parking brake, though you could argue that the parking brake, used as such, is also an emergency brake of sorts, depending on the parking situation.

Anecdotally, there are names for it, based on previous use. But what is it designed for?

To stop your car in the event of an emergency brake failure and to park.

It might have been different in Canada ….. :iono:


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