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ZionsWrath 05-18-2018 09:24 AM

True but these things grow brands. Look what happened to Honda and Toyota enthusiast vehicles once they became big players.

bcj 05-18-2018 12:01 PM

They discontinue the model and wait 20 years before the next?

nikitopo 05-18-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3088282)
And change the final drive to 3.75!

This was actually a factory option in Japan and Europe. Why don't you publish some results with the 4.3 fd? A 3rd gear pull would be fine. I asked you at least twice and you just walked away. Maybe you can convince me to change the fd. ;)

tomm.brz 05-18-2018 03:00 PM

really nikitopo was the longer fd an option in Germany?
serious question, just curious

nikitopo 05-18-2018 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 3088582)
only dealers really care. Subaru loves the fact they sell a car to people who might otherwise never even think of buying a subaru. Plus it looks fantastic, and that always helps a brand.

Exactly. If they want to grow, they should offer a broader selection of vehicles.

nikitopo 05-18-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3088775)
really nikitopo was the longer fd an option in Germany?
serious question, just curious

Yes in Germany and a few other countries. I believe in the Netherlands too.

weederr33 05-18-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3088772)
This was actually a factory option in Japan and Europe. Why don't you publish some results with the 4.3 fd? A 3rd gear pull would be fine. I asked you at least twice and you just walked away. Maybe you can convince me to change the fd. ;)

What? I don't recall you asking me anything about my 4.3 final drive.

tomm.brz 05-18-2018 03:15 PM

lol
how much did it cost if you know it?

Tcoat 05-18-2018 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3088778)
Exactly. If they want to grow, they should offer a broader selection of vehicles.

So the .0001% of the buying public that may want such a thing is appeased? Really? A "broader selection"? People here already buy the PP option and then proceed to rip half of the parts out. Should they build, test, certify for export, and then stock every conceivable combination of part? You think that would grow the business? It would plow it right into the ground is what it would do

nikitopo 05-18-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3088784)
What? I don't recall you asking me anything about my 4.3 final drive.

About the logs ...
:bonk:


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Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3088789)
lol
how much did it cost if you know it?

In Germany it had a cost of 27k euros. The ordinary model had a cost of 31k euros. It had the 3.727 fd and total weight 1202kg comparing to the 1239kg of the ordinary model. Check attachment.

nikitopo 05-18-2018 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3088790)
So the .0001% of the buying public that may want such a thing is appeased? Really? A "broader selection"? People here already buy the PP option and then proceed to rip half of the parts out. Should they build, test, certify for export, and then stock every conceivable combination of part? You think that would grow the business? It would plow it right into the ground is what it would do

I believe that you need to have a couple of sport/performance models, especially when the rest of the line-up is becoming now boring. Forester XT is history for example ...

weederr33 05-18-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3088795)
About the logs ...
:bonk:

The only logs I've done are data logs for tweaking my tune by Cosworth. I don't care about how quickly I got to redline as they are for my engine tune. Besides the logs you asked about were how my AFR were. Not my FD and acceleration difference.

Tcoat 05-18-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3088798)
I believe that you need to have a couple of sport/performance models, especially when the rest of the line-up is becoming now boring. Forester XT is history for example ...

They have the WRX and STi which already puts there percentage of performance vehicles to appliance ones well above all the other Japanese assemblers. Having a bunch of different versions of the BRZ would not help them grow.

nikitopo 05-18-2018 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3088802)
The only logs I've done are data logs for tweaking my tune by Cosworth. I don't care about how quickly I got to redline as they are for my engine tune. Besides the logs you asked about were how my AFR were. Not my FD and acceleration difference.

They are the same logs. You can check different things. AFRs, temperatures, CAM timings, knock, acceleration and so on.


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