+1 for the Sprint set.

Love products/companies like this. They actually do their own R&D and give you what you really need. Not just another bigger is better or more shiney more sales approach.

Thumbs up for a great product!

I work with Jeff and Essex and I can gladly say that that is not how they operate. They are not their to sell off the shelf garbage and rack up the prices to make a massive profit like the rest of the brake companies. Everything is properly engineering and countless hours are spent doing so. You guys will love this kit!

I'm ok with eliminating it. :D

I cant wait, so far my Experiences with Essex have been excellent. The advice and products i have gotten from Jeff @ Essex have been amazing, couldnt be happier. Im currently Running Spiegler lines with AP fluid and Ferodo ds2500 pads to hold me off until the AP kit is on sale!! Two piece rotors for the rear would be great to hold us off until a solution is available for the rear. :party0030:

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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the kudos! :happy0180: I have a few updates:

1. The changes to the Endurance system bracket are complete, and they are now in production. I'm going to post some pics and details on the changes soon. The outcome is very slick, and I think our customers will really like what we did on these.
2. Official prices for our Competition Brake Systems are as follows:
   • Sprint System- $2,099.00
   • Endurance System- $2,599.00
   • Both systems will include everything you need for the front of the car, including a set of AP Racing C300 endurance racing pads (not some sh*tty $14 street pads that belong in a dumpster...sorry, sensitive topic for me!)
3. I was told that we should be able to ship the Sprint systems within the next 2 weeks...they're almost done!:happyanim:
4. We are going to open up pre-orders for both systems in the next few days. Anyone pre-ordering either of our systems will have a special bundle of supporting products available at drastically reduced prices. I'll post more details on the pre-order and launch bundles very soon. I just need to iron out a few more details.

I put together our page for the Sprint System. I need to go through it again, but just about everything should be there. I put the S2000 installation instructions up since the FT86 ones aren't yet finished. They should give a good idea of what is involved in the install. Wheel fitment templates are also at the top of the page.

I think that's it for now. Thanks gents. Let me know if you have any questions about anything.

FYI...an Evo we were supporting just got 2nd in class and 5th overall at Pikes Peak the other week. He is running the Endurance package on his car (CP8350 calipers and CP3908 discs...and CL Brakes pads). Here's a pic from the event...thought it was cool pic of these brakes in action and wanted to share. You can see more details on the car and results here.

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@JRitt,
Sorry if this doesn't come across the way I mean; it is difficult to convey the right tone in a forum. Do you think including the brake pads is the best way to do this kit? I am just thinking that there maybe be people who have their own preference for pads. Do you think it would be feasible to add an option on the webpage for different pads. I have seen drop down menus that do that: Want option a? +$100. Want option b? +$200.
Cheers.

^^ i agree, maybe offer several different compounds to suit the needs of the customer? The kit is priced very competitively for an AP Racing product :thumbup:

Brake kit that isn't overpriced ... FINALLY!

Absolutely no offense taken, and I completely understand your point. There are a whole bunch of issues related to the brake pad situation. I've been back and forth a million times on whether or not to include pads, which pads to include, etc. Some thoughts...and this is after nearly a decade of selling brakes into the aftermarket.

At my last job in which I sold brake kits to aftermarket customers, we included a set of cheap street pads with all kits (despite my incessant urging to not do so). On those pad boxes we had a pink neon sticker that said, "not for track use." On the phone we told people, do NOT use those pads on the track. I wish I had a dollar for every customer that ignored our warnings, used those pads on the track, and destroyed their discs after overheating their pads. It was so common, that it was the first thing I asked when a customer called with a vibration/judder problem, or some other complaint after taking their kit to the track for the first time. Unfortunately, some people don't listen, regardless of what you tell them. Others just use what is available/included because it's the easiest path to getting the kit on the car. They put the pads they have in, and think, "Well, I'll just change them out before I go to the track...I just want to see what it feels like." Then life happens...the track weekend rolls around...they don't have any other pads...or, even if they have other pads they're thinking, "shoot...I'd rather be drinking this tasty PBR than swapping out my brake pads on Friday night. I'll just run the pads that came with the kit...they should be okay." That makes me strongly inclined to include a quality set of brake pads with the kit that can stand up to whatever any customer will throw at them. The customer has them on hand, and it doesn't leave them out to dry in a pinch.

A second issue is that it's tough to say our brake package will work spectacularly on your car if you decide to run a brake pad that we've never tested with that specific system. Frankly, we won't really know exactly how it will feel or perform. Obviously we wouldn't expect anything bad to happen if you run a set of pads from a reputable manufacturer. It's just tough for us to put our best foot forward if something in the system isn't performing to our expectations or standards. The pads are such a critical piece of the puzzle. If we include a component with our system, whether it's a brake line, a bolt to attach a bracket, or a set of pads, our customers can be confident that they are getting the highest quality parts that will all work well together. The specs on those items are all reviewed and tested by our engineers. In most cases, those part combinations have also been tested on hundreds of race cars in the real world as well. We know they will work well as a system, and nothing is left to chance.

We also have a wide range of customers, with vastly different levels of experience. While one customer may have 30 years of club racing experience, another may have never even been on a track before. The AP Racing C300 pad was chosen because it 1) works great with our system, and 2) seems to appeal to/is easy to use for a broad range of customers. These pads never seem to have judder issues, they're easy to bed-in, they have a nice flat torque curve, they're easy to modulate, and they last a long time. Most people really like them. After running through the C300's, a few of our experienced customers who really know what they like have asked for something with a slightly higher mu, in which case we typically point them to a Ferodo DSUNO compound. Others ask for an alternate set of slightly milder pads for AutoX that don't have quite as much bite and aren't so intensely noisy...in which case we point them to Ferodo DS2500 or CL Brakes RC5+. Overall though, we like to have a quality, tested, 'go-to' pad with broad appeal. I view it as sort of a home base, and then the customer can tweak to their taste after getting a good feel for the standard.

Also, since the AP Racing C300 compound is relatively new, most people haven't yet tried them, and are pleasantly surprised when they do. I've had quite a few customers thank me for putting them on those pads. Some of those folks had been in a rut, running the same compounds for years, and were glad to try something new and different / latest technology (and in many cases liked the AP's better).

Another issue is that we (and our resellers) stock complete, built systems, boxed up in inventory. If every customer wants different pads, then they would have to pull apart boxes to load in different pads, or ship additional boxes with orders, etc. Not a huge deal, but still a factor that can be disruptive to certain systems.

I just wanted to explain that it's a more complicated issue than it appears to be at first glance, and a lot of thought has certainly been put into it.

All of that said, we want to give our customers what they want, so I will definitely put some further thought into this request. Maybe as part of special consideration for pre-order customers, we will offer a choice of a few different pads? I'll look into this a bit further, and do my best to come up with some options.

Finally, I'm always open to any other requests or suggestions. I will listen. I can't promise I won't ignore you...but I'll listen. :D Thanks gents.

As mentioned in my prior posts, we've made some design changes on the brake duct provision in our Endurance System. Before, we had a small piece of aluminum extending from the bracket to which a duct could be fastened. After some testing and further evaluation, we've changed the design a bit and made it more modular. The bracket now has an opening that will accept an aluminum duct adapter piece that we've designed. That adapter piece is a bit larger, and will bolt to the bracket. If you want/need ducts you can run the adapter. If you don't, you can just leave that piece off. Both pieces are shown together in the model pic below. The only thing not shown are the bolts that would hold the two pieces together.

In this manner the Endurance System will offer outstanding expandability to compensate for any other modifications to the car that you might do later, such as adding big power through forced induction, etc.


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I've been getting some questions about the differences between our two Competition Systems, so I put together a Endurance / Sprint comparison that may be helpful. Of course, let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.

Sorry if this question has been asked already, but what's the minimum wheel clearance required? I'm considering a set of 17x7.5 +48 BBS wheels and I'd like to know if I can run this kit too.

Edit: Should've read the whole thread first since someone did ask. haha Anyone want to be a guinea pig and get this kit to confirm if it will work for me? :D

RJ,
Is that you my long lost OG drag racer buddy?:D

Unfortunately, no. I'm just some guy who happens to have the same first two letters in his first and last name. Sorry to get your hopes up. haha I don't know RJ personally, but I've had the opportunity to speak with him briefly once. He's a cool guy.

Thanks for making this happen!

pls clarify - "Both kits will fit under certain 17" wheels, but neither will fit OEM wheels without a spacer. Wheel fitment templates available on our site."

I recall hopes for your system to fit OEM wheels... no luck?

Are the C300 pads available for the stock rear calipers?

You may want to try a less aggressive pad in the rear of the car. The C300 pads are better suited in the front of the car.
IMO stock set ups would do fairly nicely with Carbotech XP8 Fronts and AX6 Rears along with some quality brake fluid and stainless lines.

Thank you for the detailed reply.

Thanks, but that's not what I asked.

Are they or will they be available?

he said from the outset that the endurance and competition kits will NOT fit OEM wheels. the ones that will fit the OEM wheels are the Formula kits, being designed by AP Racing themselves.

Coyote,
Yes, the C300 will be available for the rear. :)

The AP S100 will be available for the rear also, as will the Ferodo DS1.11 and DS2500.

This is correct. We never believed the Sprint and Endurance competition systems would fit stock wheels. The discs are considerably thicker, which pushes the wheels out. They give you much more thermal mass, without having to go up to a large diameter wheel.

No worries. Thanks for the candid input!

lol. Nice!

will you be offering choice of semi-or non-floating discs for the Endurance system?

I plan to run it on a daily basis and need no rattle to hear

Endurance system discs are all floating.

Very interested in a Sprint system, sent you an email.

Hey, can you please PM post on Sprint system shipped to Australia?

Thanks for the orders folks. I'm very excited to finally see these on cars, and on track where they belong!:party0030: The hats and brackets for the Sprint System are looking like they may be here late this week. If you're on the fence, I'd recommend taking advantage of our pre-order offers. Once the kits start shipping, prices all go back to normal. Thanks again.

Looking forward to this. Right in time before going to the roval in fontana. :) Thanks Jeff.

Cant wait to get mine!! Take advantages of the prices Essex is offering guys. Its a steal for the system we are getting!!

Found a great video on how to bed-in your new system guys!! Very detailed , props to Jeff and the AP rep for this awesome video.

http://www.essexparts.com/learning-c...ds/post/Bed-in


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Do you guys have any more info on what wheels will fit? I'm considering the Enkei RPF1 17x8 or Kosei K4R 17x8

Enkei 17X8 +45 fits, i tested their templates on mine. You should be fine with the kosei as well, but just to be sure you can download, print, and cut their template and measure it on the wheel.

http://www.essexparts.com/media/down...eltemplate.pdf

Here is the template on my 17x8 +45 rpf1

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The problem with that is that it requires buying the wheels before I find out whether or not they fit. ;)

But thanks for the RPF1 info - I'm leaning towards those wheels anyway.

You gotta hate when that happens.....when you knowing buying one part is going to lead to buy another new part..so you buy it anyways :)

The first run of production hats for Sprint Systems is complete and back from anodizing. We finalized QC inspection on them, and we've started mounting them on the AP Racing Heavy Duty J Hook discs. This particular disc is heading to it's new home in sunny California. :thumbsup:

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Below is the OEM disc...slightly different. :D

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you guys assembled the rotors & hats already? how nice. :) tracking # generated already?

Out the door Friday! I'll get you tracking number asap.

I got this from an RX7 customer...just had to share, and the blue actually looks similar to Subaru WR Blue, and it gives an idea how the brakes look behind another wheel style. This car is running the CP3908 discs and CP8350 caliper...same bits that are in our BRZ/FR-S Systems. Man how I love FD's...!!!:bow:
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One more thing...we just received a great brake system review from a customer with a supercharged S2000. If you have any doubts about the Sprint System disc not being large enough to handle your BRZ or FR-S, you shouldn't! This particular S2000 is 350 whp and 2900lbs with driver, and is running the same caliper and disc that our Sprint system uses...no fading, no issues, no fussing about.:thumbsup:

Jeff, have mine left yet? Cant wait to get these installed.