Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3055030)

We are talking 2018. They have nothing.

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 3054999)

You can think that but I, along with every company not trying to compete with the cayman (Honda included) disagree.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3055072)

Why would any company try to compete with a low volume car? You may have got the point, but your response was seemingly a blanket statement misdirection; Honda could build a car within that $62k CAD price range that would have the potential to be better.



Think of the 86 in this scenario, we all praise the thing, it's affordable, easy to maintain thus far, reliable and handles well. All of this for various low prices, but then why don't they make a $62k Cayman killer? I mean they have the MR2 which they can base the tech off of, Toyota is the most wealthy Automotive company, and if you look at the LFA, they have the engineers.. So why don't they make the car to trump a low volume Porsche Cayman?



Trick question, none of us peasants know, but if I was to guess, it's not because the Cayman is unbeatable, it's because it would generate next to no profit.



There's 2 of me, Baby NSX/LFA dreamers, for every 100000000 Corolla, Civic, Elantra, Focus normal peasants.

Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 3055067)

CR vs Ts,

I'll take the unicorn CR, thanks.

10 years down the road, CR will be worth a load of money, as if a mint s2000 didn't already cost an arm and a leg. Ts, not so much....

Pure driving experience, S2000 wins hands down. Practicality and carrying stuff? sure, the 86 can have that one.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3055072)

Why would any company try to compete with a low volume car? You may have got the point, but your response was seemingly a blanket statement misdirection; Honda could build a car within that $62k CAD price range that would have the potential to be better.

Think of the 86 in this scenario, we all praise the thing, it's affordable, easy to maintain thus far, reliable and handles well. All of this for various low prices, but then why don't they make a $62k Cayman killer? I mean they have the MR2 which they can base the tech off of, Toyota is the most wealthy Automotive company, and if you look at the LFA, they have the engineers.. So why don't they make the car to trump a low volume Porsche Cayman?

Trick question, none of us peasants know, but if I was to guess, it's not because the Cayman is unbeatable, it's because it would generate next to no profit.

There's 2 of me, Baby NSX/LFA dreamers, for every 100000000 Corolla, Civic, Elantra, Focus normal peasants.

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 3055110)

of course we are all praising the frs. its an frs forum. zoom out a little and you realize its slower than basically all of its competition to get there it took the work of two manufacturers to get there. even if we erase all the signs pointing to the difficulty of the task, what makes you think honda could do better for cheaper?

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3054947)

Idunno, the current Type R is a really great feat for them and they achieved that at a modest, yet still somewhat expensive price point. Tac on another 20k (CAD) and you are in Cayman territory, but have a ton of wiggle room, not to mention the obvious cheaper to maintain Honda car. I really think Honda could make a better car than the Cayman at that price point.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3055126)

Ya just don't get it. I made no mention of Honda making a cheaper better car, pretty sure I said given a $62k price point or near it, Honda could make a better car with a similar design. Running costs is what would be cheaper because Honda Power TM

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3055054)

Oh really, I had no idea.

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 3055129)

how is that different?

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3055072)

Why would any company try to compete with a low volume car? You may have got the point, but your response was seemingly a blanket statement misdirection; Honda could build a car within that $62k CAD price range that would have the potential to be better.

Think of the 86 in this scenario, we all praise the thing, it's affordable, easy to maintain thus far, reliable and handles well. All of this for various low prices, but then why don't they make a $62k Cayman killer? I mean they have the MR2 which they can base the tech off of, Toyota is the most wealthy Automotive company, and if you look at the LFA, they have the engineers.. So why don't they make the car to trump a low volume Porsche Cayman?

Trick question, none of us peasants know, but if I was to guess, it's not because the Cayman is unbeatable, it's because it would generate next to no profit.

There's 2 of me, Baby NSX/LFA dreamers, for every 100000000 Corolla, Civic, Elantra, Focus normal peasants.

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 3055110)

of course we are all praising the frs. its an frs forum. zoom out a little and you realize its slower than basically all of its competition to get there it took the work of two manufacturers to get there. even if we erase all the signs pointing to the difficulty of the task, what makes you think honda could do better for cheaper?

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 3055028)

Debatable but within reason. My argument was in the context that Honda can't do that today for the price of a cayman, let alone less. They couldn't do it then and they can't do it now. Not to sell short what a lot of companies do but the cayman benefits from a lot of preexisting resources Porsche has.

Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 3055278)

They are. The Supra. Although, I question its ability to actually put up any sort of real fight. The existence of the Cayman and the Corvette at that price point make it very difficult for anyone else to compete. The only way I think the Supra stands a chance is if they engineered a lot of extra safety factor into the drivetrain like they did with the mkIV. If tuners can safely and easily add power, they might have a hit. Otherwise Porsche and Corvette are going to thrash it just like they do with everything else.

Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3055288)

I agree there's exactly zero chance of any company matching the cayman. 911 has it's competition, boxsters have their competition.. caymans are just in a category of their own. bmw M2, Audi TT rs, maybe a jaguar Coupe... What even is the real competition for a cayman nowdays?

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3055296)

... A Boxster is a Cayman..?? They are both under the umbrella of 718, am I wrong? I will agree that the Cayman are in there own category, but not because they are the best possible cars, more because no one cares to compete with a very similar engine and drive train layout.