Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3028112)

Oh, so you're one of those types. Knock someone's tastes and blame it on an age difference?

Anyways, maybe you should buy a Lexus, because I don't know if you know this, but our cars are literally marketed to younger people.

I don't know about you, but I don't exactly see a lot of 20 year olds running around with Lambos, yet plenty of them are matte black. But it must not be an issue to you when it's a $250k car vs. a $25k car? So if matte black isn't cool then black isn't either? You do realize both are still black, right?

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 3028113)

The people who buy lambos, are generally boorish, gaudy rich people.

Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3028115)

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3028118)

I like this one. Good pics man.

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3028117)

Look if you don't want to spice up the twins with new colors, fine. Take all your neutral colors except for blue and red and call it a day, but I'd rather our cars not be stuck on the black and white spectrum forever. That's why I got a blue one. I didn't even like hot lava but I still don't want to see it go, because at least it was a real color.

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 3028121)

Wait, what? Weren't you just arguing about how great another black option would be for the twins?

Originally Posted by airjonny (Post 3028153)

Matte looks awesome, but I bet it's a pain in the neck to maintain.

Originally Posted by airjonny (Post 3028153)

Matte looks awesome, but I bet it's a pain in the neck to maintain.

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3027589)

Of course I do, that's why I'm the future 4th owner of a 2014 Shelby GT500, let the rich and unwise make the big purchase, and pick up the cheap used purchase down the road.

First of all, the PP is an absolute freaking bargain, a steal even, for $1200 you get a BBK that's probably valued at closer to $3k (based on similar kits put together or sold from Brembo for our cars), not to mention the wider wheels that clear the brakes, and the shocks. You're looking at a $1200 package for $4k+ worth of equipment.

IF you step up to a Limited BRZ, I see absolutely no reason NOT to get the PP.

The BRZ Premium is totally worth it. My car is basically a BRZ Premium, it's base model/basic af, and includes none of the extras that people like me don't want from the Limited/GT. I'm just saying, IF you want that stuff, you might want the PP too, and that makes the BRZ the better option, if you want that stuff. If you don't want that stuff, it's really a wash between the BRZ Premium and base 86, depending on what accessories you want, which bumper, which spring rates, which touch screen.

Now the BRZ gets CarPlay too, which puts the 86 at an even greater disadvantage thanks to Toyota's tremendously questionable decision to continue to push their own crappy infotainment system and deny buyers Android Auto/Apple CarPlay across their Toyota and Lexus lines. A decision like that is sure to ruin sales figures.

Originally Posted by airjonny (Post 3029375)

EDIT: It's here

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...9259/overview/

Originally Posted by KL (Post 3028345)

In Canada, you can't get a 2018 Limited BRZ (Sport-Tech, here) with 6MT. You have to either get the Premium (Base) or the PP (Sport-Tech RS) if you want a manual transmission. I think the vast majority of the 2018 BRZs being sold in Canada will be PP configuration cars.

Originally Posted by wangson (Post 3032123)

The interior pics is from the Toyota 860

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3027589)

Of course I do, that's why I'm the future 4th owner of a 2014 Shelby GT500, let the rich and unwise make the big purchase, and pick up the cheap used purchase down the road.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3032430)

Late to the game, but I knew that PP wasn't coming to new 86 since last yr.

They have something up their sleeves though... but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Originally Posted by airjonny (Post 3032522)

So is that something not coming soon? Or something not worth trading in a 86 for?

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3032430)

Late to the game, but I knew that PP wasn't coming to new 86 since last yr.

They have something up their sleeves though... but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3032531)

Oooow ooow... let me guess:

Supra@Geneva.:bonk:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3032528)

That's all up to everyone. :iono:

Some members have more goodies already, so might not worth trading... while some members just like new things and like to trade even for minor things. So again, that's all up to each person.

Originally Posted by Veloist (Post 3032545)

Perhaps a tS-equivalent for the 86? :popcorn:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3032430)

Late to the game, but I knew that PP wasn't coming to new 86 since last yr.

They have something up their sleeves though... but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Originally Posted by yurikaze (Post 3032587)

If that's the case, I hope it's unveiled before I take delivery of my tS.

Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3032496)

I hope you are not referring to that mustang as being a good buy lol because that would be rich... 662hp on a solid rear axle... You must be very brave sir.

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3033037)

That’s the main reason to buy it lol, real muscle cars have solid rear axles. NASCAR racecars have solid rear axles and nearly 900hp, and they take the track on just fine, the Boss 302 was one of the best Mustangs ever and that had a solid rear axle, this is super on topic but no, the S197 Mustang is not a bad buy by any means.

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3033037)

That’s the main reason to buy it lol, real muscle cars have solid rear axles. NASCAR racecars have solid rear axles and nearly 900hp, and they take the track on just fine, the Boss 302 was one of the best Mustangs ever and that had a solid rear axle, this is super on topic but no, the S197 Mustang is not a bad buy by any means.

Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3032496)

I hope you are not referring to that mustang as being a good buy lol because that would be rich... 662hp on a solid rear axle... You must be very brave sir.

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 3033037)

That’s the main reason to buy it lol, real muscle cars have solid rear axles. NASCAR racecars have solid rear axles and nearly 900hp, and they take the track on just fine, the Boss 302 was one of the best Mustangs ever and that had a solid rear axle, this is super on topic but no, the S197 Mustang is not a bad buy by any means.

Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3033173)

Newsflash: Mustangs went IRS in 2015... That said, I have a 1969 Mach1 with over 500HP on a solid axle and let me assure you, clean pants come in handy. Particularly in the rain...

Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3033150)

Fair: To each his own. However I still have to play devil's advocate here.

What is "real muscle"? - Something subjective I supposed
What is "Best mustang ever"? - Relating to straight line speed only I hope.
What is "Take the track on just fine"? - Surely you don't equate this to "Optimum design we know of"
What is "Nascar racecar" - That's what Fred Flinstone drives right?:iono:

Not trying to write an essay explaining why these are opinions based on american manufacturer's prehistoric tendencies and emphasis on cutting costs and cheap upgrades (The main reasons why manufacturers even chose RSA in the first place) rather than fact pertaining to actual speed AROUND a track as you mentioned.

It used to be true that SRA could take more power than old IRS systems however nowadays with the materials we can make that no longer applies... Many cars w/out RSAs will go plenty faster than ANY muscle cars in a straight line. And guess what.. they will go MUCH faster around corners as well.

Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3033173)

Newsflash: Mustangs went IRS in 2015... That said, I have a 1969 Mach1 with over 500HP on a solid axle and let me assure you, clean pants come in handy. Particularly in the rain...

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 3028111)

You're wrong. Matte black is cool to teenagers, but there's a reason you only generally see shit box ricer cars in matte black, and it's definitely not because it's an awesome colour :thumbsup: