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jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 01-11-2018 07:25 AM

hoping some one could tell me how can i be faster on track
 
hoping someone can tell me how can i improve my lap time
this is Vancouver Island Motorsport Circuit
i am running on stock tires and also had it for drift school
so i dont have lot of grip
want do some mod for my car
tire for sure anything else
i ordered mxp rs ti exhaust already
any intake opinion?
anything technical about driving abilities first mod second
dont really wanna mod the car too much
since i like the stock setup

after intake and tires

what can i do about engine ?

no turbo or supercharge
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TommyW 01-11-2018 07:55 AM

Don't throw parts on your car to become a better driver. You need to get coaching. This will be the best mod you can do. As far as tires, leaving the stockers on is the best way to learn proper technique. They allow you to get comfortable with big slip angles so that when you put sticky tires on it'll be no big deal when you step out a bit. It's much easier to learn to rotate the car also with stock tires. The Skid pad is your best friend so use it. If you had gone to Skippy School you'd find that they teach on hard tires so that students learn the basics faster and they do this for a reason.

Bottom line is car mods can come much later. The 86 platform is great right out of the box .

ermax 01-11-2018 10:22 AM

I agree with Tommy. Driver is where the most time can be found. After that I would do tires. Tires will drop more time than exhaust by a long shot.

Too bad that video is so washed out. It's hard to even see your lines in that video.

I would also suggest a racing sim. Not Forza or Gran Turismo but a real sim like rFactor2. I did a quick search and this track isn't available in rF2 unfortunately.

Tcoat 01-11-2018 02:08 PM

There is no intake on the market which will give any real gains over the 2017 stock version.
As the guys said you should look at mods after you reach a point where your driving skills have exceeded the cars abilities. That may be a ways off yet.

Sapphireho 01-11-2018 02:13 PM

Drive, drive, then drive some more.

TommyW 01-11-2018 02:42 PM

It's fun to throw parts on cars no doubt about it. The question is always "What are my goals?". Stoplight racing then power is your friend, looks? Then whatever you deem to be attractive to look at. Driving on a track and some parts can actually make you a worse driver. A bigger rear bar for example can balance out some understeer however you have the potential to make your car too loose and that will just slow you down overall.

So many times understeer is a product of improper technique and guys just throw on a rear bar and figure the job is done. This is just 1 example of many that guys get wrong.....

TommyW 01-11-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3026788)
Drive, drive, then drive some more.

This is very true however driving and continuing to make the same mistakes only serves to ingrain bad habits so this is why good coaching is so important. Most HPDE events have good coaches included in the cost so use those guys! But if you get one that tells you never to trail brake get a different instructor.

Sapphireho 01-11-2018 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3026814)
This is very true however driving and continuing to make the same mistakes only serves to ingrain bad habits so this is why good coaching is so important. Most HPDE events have good coaches included in the cost so use those guys!


!00% agree.

Tokay444 01-11-2018 02:53 PM

Pay for driving instruction.

Leonardo 01-11-2018 07:34 PM

Practice and instruction will make you faster.




Went to go kart track. Drove a few laps. My lap time got better each time. Then a fellow Forum member gave me a few tips, and my times started going down even more.


It will be obvious when your skill has increased and you "need" to upgrade your car to be faster. Start saving your money now!

Mr.ac 01-11-2018 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3026788)
Drive, drive, then drive some more.

That is the key. You can't buy your way into fast times. Your driving sucks, but you can get better.

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 01-12-2018 04:20 PM

totally agreed
the reason for me to change the exhaust is my car self slide into the rocks at xmas nite
parking the car on the icy downhill driveway(not really downhill maybe just bad luck) , and it just happened.
i got wut u mean, i did drive with one of the driving instructor. and he said if he driving my car, it may just be quick a bit but not much tho.
he even talk to other instructor that

this is my second ft86, in the video it was my first frs , now i am driving Toyota 86
i still think there is 20 % potential i dont get. i think it should be the slide in the corner like little drift but still worried about myself cant handle that. this is why i still with gt86 not change to sti !
like u said , If your car feels like it's on rails in corners you aren't going fast enough
or maybe braking more harder at braking zone.

there is only one thing he said, i got tooo much under steering should slow in fast out
but in the video u can see, my only way to stay with that md is faster entry the corner otherwise i will lost it.
in the uphill and straight i cant keep up with him!
i know slow in fast out tho
he suggest me to change the tire to improve the track time.

TommyW 01-12-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com (Post 3027365)
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there is only one thing he said, i got tooo much under steering should slow in fast out

i know slow in fast out tho
he suggest me to change the tire to improve the track time.

Slow in fast out is a term used often and it can be mis represented. Too slow in and too fast back on throttle mid corner and you'll get understeer due to weight transfer going to the rear and coming off the front. On corners that you're getting understeer it helps to trail brake, sometimes all the way to the apex, Not much, just enough to keep the front tires loaded up then when going back to throttle do it smoothly otherwise you'll go back to an understeer condition on exit

ermax 01-13-2018 09:42 AM

hoping some one could tell me how can i be faster on track
 
If the turn is followed by a long straight then slow in fast out is typically better. It lets you get back on the throttle sooner which pays off on the straight. This may be why the ND was walking you on straights. Maybe the instructor recognized this which I why he made that recommendation.

Twinz 01-13-2018 10:22 AM

Driving is like typing, and cars are like keyboards. We can all use our keyboards to check our email and our cars to get to work. But people who learn to type will be much faster than people who just buy fancy keyboards.

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 01-13-2018 10:43 AM

for sure that no true man , md is fast at 0-100, and with the track tires!
there is no way i can keep up with md

Twinz 01-13-2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com (Post 3027632)
for sure that no true man , md is fast at 0-100, and with the track tires!
there is no way i can keep up with md

Are we talking about the ND? If this is the latest Miata we are talking about, yes. With equal drivers, the ND is faster. But, even if the other driver has a faster car, the faster car won't drive itself. You can make them work for it if you get more out of the car you have.

Ask an instructor to drive your car and show you how much you are leaving on the table. At autocross, an instructor can usually put 3 to 8 seconds on a new driver on our 35 second test n tune course...in the same car.

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 01-13-2018 11:51 AM

check the video at 7:45....... i got tire slip on 4th gear. wut do u think it could be the reason
try to use the stock no grip tires chasing with a re-71 nd!
it was really hard.

Twinz 01-13-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com (Post 3027652)
check the video at 7:45....... i got tire slip on 4th gear. wut do u think it could be the reason
try to use the stock no grip tires chasing with a re-71 nd!
it was really hard.

Unfortunately, I can't see your lines that well from the video. Better tires will net you better times, but they will also cover mistakes that could then turn into bad habits that become hard to break.

You need a good reference point for what the car is capable of as it sits now. Once you can get in the ballpark of the car's potential, then start changing parts.

ST185RC 01-15-2018 03:39 PM

Stickier tires will help the most; better braking distance, better cornering performance, more predictable acceleration. Launching from a start, better tires will definitely get you faster straight line speed vs the low traction stockers.

No other engine bolt on will give you a better bang for the buck. Okay, maybe a better flowing panel filter for $50 bucks over stock, but it definitely won't help you brake any better.

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 04-12-2018 03:01 PM

This is the trackday on 04 02
Improve my lap time for 3 seconds
Get my final racing line
Forgive me for the miss shift in part 1
Next step is rim tires
Brake pad
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Try my best to chasing the evo

Gregore 05-03-2018 11:22 AM

Hi jayliu,

I bought mine about a year ago, my first rear wheel drive ever. Got very good advice, go to a skidpan (wet tarmac) and practice control at low speeds, get a good feel and increase from there. There is NO substitute for seat time, drive as much as you can... Skidpans, racetracks, try and enter some friendly events in your area.

As for upgrades, brakes are very important for track use, you can easily overheat your stock brakes and fluid with hard track driving. At least proper fluid and pads are needed, even if just for the confidence of being able to do a bunch of hot laps in a row without worrying about brake temps.

Once brakes are done, buy another set of rims and put some decent tires them, that way you can swap tires and feel the difference and also keep a nice set for track use and a dodgy cheap set for drifting...

When you have used a few sets of tires and can REALLY handle the 200hp you will be much better equipped to choose further mods.

I have learned so much in this year of driving. Trust me, the stock setup with good tires and brakes can be VERY fast on track. I am happy brakes and exhaust are my only mods. Its nice to pass an M3 on track, tell him I have a stock engine and see his face :(

PS: I only bought my exhaust it was cheap and makes a cool sound, it only made about 1/2hp difference...

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 05-05-2018 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregore (Post 3081394)
Hi jayliu,

I bought mine about a year ago, my first rear wheel drive ever. Got very good advice, go to a skidpan (wet tarmac) and practice control at low speeds, get a good feel and increase from there. There is NO substitute for seat time, drive as much as you can... Skidpans, racetracks, try and enter some friendly events in your area.

As for upgrades, brakes are very important for track use, you can easily overheat your stock brakes and fluid with hard track driving. At least proper fluid and pads are needed, even if just for the confidence of being able to do a bunch of hot laps in a row without worrying about brake temps.

Once brakes are done, buy another set of rims and put some decent tires them, that way you can swap tires and feel the difference and also keep a nice set for track use and a dodgy cheap set for drifting...

When you have used a few sets of tires and can REALLY handle the 200hp you will be much better equipped to choose further mods.

I have learned so much in this year of driving. Trust me, the stock setup with good tires and brakes can be VERY fast on track. I am happy brakes and exhaust are my only mods. Its nice to pass an M3 on track, tell him I have a stock engine and see his face :(

PS: I only bought my exhaust it was cheap and makes a cool sound, it only made about 1/2hp difference...

the most powerful car passed was mclaren:)
that feeling sooo strange tho
right now i got
mxp rs ti tip catback
on the way to shipping
hks oil filter
k&n air filter
project mu club front brake pad
stoptech front rotor
stoptech stainless steel brake lines
project mu g four 335 brake fluid
motul 8100 0w20 engine oil
motul gear 300 gear oil 75w90 for gear and diff

enkei rpf1 17x8 +45 is at ups center will be here on Monday
re 71 245x40 in hand now
yea that all
i wanna those oil sooo badly but still back order for the gear oil
once they gear oil is ready, they will shipping it to me
we will see how how much those things help!!!

Gregore 05-10-2018 05:50 AM

What made the biggest difference so far in my laptimes was brakes, after the upgrade I have way more confidence and now brake at the 50m boards not the 100m, lap after lap. When I stopped worrying about brakes and started doing several hot laps in a row then I got much faster.

I am curious to see how you feel with the mods installed...

I love this car on track, got my semis (Bridgestone RE-11s) fitted and going for a time attack event at a local Go-Kart track on Saturday. I can't wait ;)

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 05-14-2018 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregore (Post 3084629)
What made the biggest difference so far in my laptimes was brakes, after the upgrade I have way more confidence and now brake at the 50m boards not the 100m, lap after lap. When I stopped worrying about brakes and started doing several hot laps in a row then I got much faster.

I am curious to see how you feel with the mods installed...

I love this car on track, got my semis (Bridgestone RE-11s) fitted and going for a time attack event at a local Go-Kart track on Saturday. I can't wait ;)

tire and wheel on baby today
others is still not shipping yet !!!!
they r waiting for the project mu club sport pad
and hks oil filter

jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com 09-05-2018 01:53 AM

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new video after all the update parts


racing seat is my next move



feel free on commit for make me faster



i find out that the black pipe on coolant tank is not seal well come with factor
i can pull it out by hand

any suggest for fix that problem?


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