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Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 06:18 PM

Current well known car brands that you would never buy
 
I have to say,I don't know how or why Buick is still in business,but who in the hell is buying these pieces of shit?I think if someone gave one to me for free,I would immediately sell it for whatever I could get for it.

Older Buick's use to be fairly good,and of course there was the Grand National which was a beast for it's time,but now Buick makes perhaps the shittiest,souless,stock standard generic shit to come off an assembly line.

As for foreign cars,I would have to say even if I had the money,I'd probably never think about buying a Maserati.I might be wrong,but I feel like what every Maserati you look at,there's better one of another brand in it respective class,and probably cheaper.

driftguy 09-10-2017 06:33 PM

Anything built by Chrysler with the exception of the Viper.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 06:48 PM

The irony of people on a forum dedicated to a limited production niche car wondering why people buy cars that outsell them by hundreds of thousands of units a year is wonderful!

There is nothing wrong with Buicks or Chryslers and just because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.

Spuds 09-10-2017 06:55 PM

Maserati.

Edit. lol didnt actually read the first post until now...

Capt Spaulding 09-10-2017 06:57 PM

Chrysler, Rover, Fiat (still bad vibes from years past) any eastern Bloc mfg, Datsun (I've had 2 Nissan's, both were crushing disappointments -never again, the Korean marques haven't won me over, yet, and hmm, more later.

86geek 09-10-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976126)
There is nothing wrong with Buicks or Chryslers and just because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.

I have a coworker who had so many issues with her 2013 Buick Verano but yet :iono: why the hell she bought another one. The dealership gave her so much grief. Started when they changed out her battery. It went downhill after that. Her car spent most of the 3 years she owned it at the dealership. Several of us told her to file Lemon Law when she could but she had so much faith in the dealership. So last year the dealership made a deal for her to buy a new car. LmfaO! All of us at work shook our head. Now she says we'll see how this car will be when I have to replace my battery.:lol::lol::lol:

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976126)
The irony of people on a forum dedicated to a limited production niche car wondering why people buy cars that outsell them by hundreds of thousands of units a year is wonderful!

There is nothing wrong with Buicks or Chryslers and just because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.


I don't think anyone is really wondering that,and I don't really see the irony at all.

Buick's are pretty reliable,I guess,but as i said,pretty generic looking and not very exciting to drive.I wouldn't buy a Chrysler either.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 86geek (Post 2976134)
I have a coworker who had so many issues with her 2013 Buick Verano but yet :iono: why the hell she bought another one. The dealership gave her so much grief. Started when they changed out her battery. It went downhill after that. Her car spent most of the 3 years she owned it at the dealership. Several of us told her to file Lemon Law when she could but she had so much faith in the dealership. So last year the dealership made a deal for her to buy a new car. LmfaO! All of us at work shook our head. Now she says we'll see how this car will be when I have to replace my battery.:lol::lol::lol:


One story does not define a whole car company. If that was the case then all our cars are total crap as well.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2976136)
I don't think anyone is really wondering that,and I don't really see the irony at all.

Buick's are pretty reliable,I guess,but as i said,pretty generic looking and not very exciting to drive.I wouldn't buy a Chrysler either.

The irony lies in the fact that most of the car driving public looks at us and says "who the hell wants to drive THAT thing".

MOST people don't give a crap about how the car look or how fun it is to drive.

You are trying to apply your preferences to everybody and that just isn't the way things work.

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976140)
The irony lies in the fact that most of the car driving public looks at us and says "who the hell wants to drive THAT thing".

MOST people don't give a crap about how the car look or how fun it is to drive.

You are trying to apply your preferences to everybody and that just isn't the way things work.

Sounds like you are talking out of your ass. You are making the a bigger assumption than I am.Where's your proof that "most of the car driving public looks at us and says "who the hell wants to drive THAT thing" ". In fact,and I'm sure a lot of Twins owners will say this as well,I've had more complements on my car than all of my other cars combined.For example,a woman that looked like she might've been in her late 40's was with her daughter and told me while I was going into the grocery store that one day she wanted to by an FR-S she liked them so much.

BTW,this is just a fun thread,not some study in people's buying preferences. If you don't want to play,you can just move along,you know?

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2976143)
Sounds like you are talking out of your ass. You are making the a bigger assumption than I am.

BTW,this is just a fun thread,not some study in people's buying preferences. If you don't want to play,you can just move along,you know?

No this is a dumbass thread based on personal bias and pure bullshit is what it is.

They make 1500 Caravan minivans a DAY and can 't keep up with demand. None of those people are cross shopping Twins.

Your whole premise for this thread was "How is Buick in business". Have you any bloody idea what you are talking about? Any at all? Buick grew 23% last year and is pushing back on the imports in a major manner. Not only are they still in business they are growing.
http://media.buick.com/media/us/en/b...018-buick.html

I am not making assumptions I follow the whole automotive market not one tiny splinter group of a sub section of a specialty vehicle and I know what is selling. You apparently feel that the only thing that is or should sell is what you like.

I will stay if I wish. If your idea of "playing" means just agreeing with your fantasy bullshit then too fucking bad for you since I won't.

KR-S 09-10-2017 07:30 PM

As of now, Mitsubishi, not because of the lack of quality (not saying that at all), but rather because of the lack of interesting vehicles. Rather sad because they too made some really kick-ass vehicles back in the day.

If you had made this thread back in 2013, Toyota would have probably been one of my answers too.

Also, this should be in the Other Vehicles sub-forum.

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2976147)
Also, this should be in the Other Vehicles sub-forum.

Shit! My fault. I didn't even realize that section was there. Mods should probably move it there,please.

PS:I feel the same way about Mitsu's too.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 2976129)
Chrysler, Rover, Fiat (still bad vibes from years past) any eastern Bloc mfg, Datsun (I've had 2 Nissan's, both were crushing disappointments -never again, the Korean marques haven't won me over, yet, and hmm, more later.

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2976147)
As of now, Mitsubishi, not because of the lack of quality (not saying that at all), but rather because of the lack of interesting vehicles. Rather sad because they too made some really kick-ass vehicles back in the day.

If you had made this thread back in 2013, Toyota would have probably been one of my answers too.

Also, this should be in the Other Vehicles sub-forum.

Good thing there are 218 million other car buyers in the USA and they are not relying strictly on the guys from here to like and buy other brands.

KR-S 09-10-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976151)
Good thing there are 218 million other car buyers in the USA and they are not relying strictly on the guys from here to like and buy other brands.

I'm only merely speaking my opinion. I'm not here to tell anyone what they should and should not buy.

I would not buy a Mitsubishi at this time, but I'm not going to stop anyone else from doing so (in fact I do hope this happens so Mitsubishi can stay in the states).

Impureclient 09-10-2017 07:43 PM

Everybody calm down. I know this hurricane in FL is all getting us on edge but we will make it through this.

KR-S 09-10-2017 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2976153)
Everybody calm down. I know this hurricane in FL is all getting us on edge but we will make it through this.

How did you know I was typing this is in the middle of a raging hurricane?!

(though seriously I hope you guys are doing alright over there)

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2976152)
I'm only merely speaking my opinion. I'm not here to tell anyone what they should and should not buy.

I would not buy a Mitsubishi at this time, but I'm not going to stop anyone else from doing so (in fact I do hope this happens so Mitsubishi can stay in the states).

Mitsubishi have stated they are out of the performance car market for good.
Ya, the individual "I wouldn't want a XXX" isn't what gets my goat here. It is the opening "I don't know how companies stay in business because I personally don't like their cars" mentality that does. Individuals can most certainly have likes and dislikes it is the assumption that everybody should agree with them that is wrong. There are perfectly valid reasons why there are several hundred makes and models of cars.

mrg666 09-10-2017 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2976114)
who in the hell is buying these pieces of shit?I think if someone gave one to me for free,I would immediately sell it for whatever I could get for it.

They are selling like hotcakes actually. It is only in your mind.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2976153)
Everybody calm down. I know this hurricane in FL is all getting us on edge but we will make it through this.

There is a hurricane in Florida? I hadn't heard.

86geek 09-10-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976138)
One story does not define a whole car company. If that was the case then all our cars are total crap as well.

;) IMHO for me I would never buy the same car if there were serious issues in getting it repaired by the dealership. This coworker was so afraid of our boss to ask for time off of work to get her car repaired. Because she spent 3 years taking the damn car back to the dealership for repairs. It became the laughing joke about her Buick. I never said I didn't care for Buick. ;)

Tcoat 09-10-2017 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 86geek (Post 2976163)
;) IMHO for me I would never buy the same car if there were serious issues in getting it repaired by the dealership. This coworker was so afraid of our boss to ask for time off of work to get her car repaired. Because she spent 3 years taking the damn car back to the dealership for repairs. It became the laughing joke about her Buick. I never said I didn't care for Buick. ;)

I may get the same car but I would be damn sure to do my home work on it first.

mrg666 09-10-2017 08:01 PM

Cut the crap guys. Here is reliability statistics of Buick, Tcoat gave the sales numbers. End of story.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-reports-top-3

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 2976158)
They are selling like hotcakes actually. It is only in your mind.

I guess I phrased that wrong,because I am aware that they sell well. The thing is that it's kinda weird to me. Like why do people keep buying Chrysler 200s and Fiat 500s when they top almost every list for unreliable cars? I guess it's nothing more than the price,especially for the 500,but for you pay for the 200,you could get plenty of better cars.

Braces 09-10-2017 08:17 PM

My family car is a Buick Enclave that I purchased new when it first debuted. The vehicle has been flawless and is very reliable. Reason we purchased the Enclave? Tiger Woods was pitching the car back then. I know ... stupid reason. 3rd row seats. Very comfortable when we do our holiday trips to CA to see family.

Do I like the vehicle for it's brand or looks? No. Would I buy it again. No. But a Buick is very reliable and comfortable. I'm too young to drive a Buick, but it works.

I am not a brand fan boy. If I like a certain car ... .then I will buy it regardless of brand. Hell ... I never ever thought I would buy a Scion. Then the FR-S came out.

Never say never.

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2976172)
My family car is a Buick Enclave that I purchased new when it first debuted. The vehicle has been flawless and is very reliable. Reason we purchased the Enclave? Tiger Woods was pitching the car back then. I know ... stupid reason. 3rd row seats. Very comfortable when we do our holiday trips to CA to see family.

Do I like the vehicle for it's brand or looks? No. Would I buy it again. No. But a Buick is very reliable and comfortable. I'm too young to drive a Buick, but it works.

I am not a brand fan boy. If I like a certain car ... .then I will buy it regardless of brand. Hell ... I never ever thought I would buy a Scion. Then the FR-S came out.

Never say never.

I remember a few years ago when a story came out saying that a lot more younger people were buying Buicks and I couldn't understand it. If you like it and it's been doing well for you,good for you. I guess they are more for people that are just looking to get from point A to point B,and nothing more,and for that I really can't knock them.

With Buick's success,I always wonder why Pontiac,and especially Oldsmobile failed.

why? 09-10-2017 08:42 PM

Buick's SUV's are selling like mad. They are pretty great.

Pontiac was closed because their were too many brands. Oldsmobile was closed because GM was a bunch of morons. Their last few years of vehicles were phenomenal.

Buick sells best in China. For some reason Chinese people absolutely love Buick.

I would never ever buy honda. I hate that car company with the passion of a billion nuclear bombs. It is totally irrational and I know that. Although they have really stopped giving a crap the past couple of decades, we'll see if the Civic Type R is the beginning of a change back to when they cared.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2976178)
I remember a few years ago when a story came out saying that a lot more younger people were buying Buicks and I couldn't understand it. If you like it and it's been doing well for you,good for you. I guess they are more for people that are just looking to get from point A to point B,and nothing more,and for that I really can't knock them.

With Buick's success,I always wonder why Pontiac,and especially Oldsmobile failed.



Neither really "failed" they were killed due to corporate restructuring. Not sure where Oldsmobile stood but Pontiac was still doing great when they got axed.
Really both just were redundant in todays market since they just gradually morphed form separate cars in the 50s and 60s into just different trim levels of the standard GM platforms through the 80s and 90s.

Tcoat 09-10-2017 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2976181)
Buick's SUV's are selling like mad. They are pretty great.

Pontiac was closed because their were too many brands. Oldsmobile was closed because GM was a bunch of morons. Their last few years of vehicles were phenomenal.

Buick sells best in China. For some reason Chinese people absolutely love Buick.

I would never ever buy honda. I hate that car company with the passion of a billion nuclear bombs. It is totally irrational and I know that. Although they have really stopped giving a crap the past couple of decades, we'll see if the Civic Type R is the beginning of a change back to when they cared.

I agree with the Honda thing. My dislike is also based on absolutely no rational thought. They just annoy me. Mind you I said the same about Subaru 4 years ago.

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2976181)
Buick's SUV's are selling like mad. They are pretty great.

Pontiac was closed because their were too many brands. Oldsmobile was closed because GM was a bunch of morons. Their last few years of vehicles were phenomenal.

Buick sells best in China. For some reason Chinese people absolutely love Buick.

I would never ever buy honda. I hate that car company with the passion of a billion nuclear bombs. It is totally irrational and I know that. Although they have really stopped giving a crap the past couple of decades, we'll see if the Civic Type R is the beginning of a change back to when they cared.

I actually just saw my first Type R on the road earlier today. It was blue with black accents. It looked pretty sharp. If I were in the market for a FF car,it would probably be at the top of my list.

mrg666 09-10-2017 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2976184)
I actually just saw my first Type R on the road earlier today. It was blue with black accents. It looked pretty sharp. If I were in the market for a FF car,it would probably be at the top of my list.

Type R? Who buys that shit?

Tcoat 09-10-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 2976187)
Type R? Who buys that shit?

About 3,000 people in the US since that was all they were making for the 17s. About two days worth of Dodge Caravan production.

I would drive the Caravan before I would touch one of those ugly ass Type Rs.

Th3rdSun 09-10-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 2976187)
Type R? Who buys that shit?

1)Not many people as they are apparently hard to get and are way over MSRP.

2)Fools that are able to secure one and pay way over MSRP for them.

One thing to take into consideration too,is resale value. I'm sure everyone that's buying Type Rs today will not take nearly as hard of a hit when they try to sell them as they would if they were getting a normal Civic,or even an Si.

mrg666 09-10-2017 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976189)
About 3,000 people in the US since that was all they were making for the 17s. About two days worth of Dodge Caravan production.

I would drive the Caravan before I would touch one of those ugly ass Type Rs.

It is hard to find people with our exquisite taste ;)

humfrz 09-10-2017 09:27 PM

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Buicks are ugly and heavy ...... would not buy ......:mad0259:


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why? 09-10-2017 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2976189)
About 3,000 people in the US since that was all they were making for the 17s. About two days worth of Dodge Caravan production.

I would drive the Caravan before I would touch one of those ugly ass Type Rs.

I'd love to have the only Pacifica lowered on coilovers. That car is awesome.

winstonscifi 09-10-2017 10:11 PM

I know I'm going to get crap for this, but I still would not buy anything built by Ford. I had a Pinto back in the 70's......sorry......

86geek 09-10-2017 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 2976167)
Cut the crap guys. Here is reliability statistics of Buick, Tcoat gave the sales numbers. End of story.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-reports-top-3

😃

Tcoat 09-10-2017 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by winstonscifi (Post 2976204)
I know I'm going to get crap for this, but I still would not buy anything built by Ford. I had a Pinto back in the 70's......sorry......

I would buy a Pinto now in a heartbeat! Not many left though.

humfrz 09-10-2017 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by winstonscifi (Post 2976204)
I know I'm going to get crap for this, but I still would not buy anything built by Ford. I had a Pinto back in the 70's......sorry......

:slap: ....... snap out of it old man!

Got out of that cramped, rough riding, underpowered wanna be car of yours.

Give Ford another look ....... they have the perfect vehicle for you.

* auto, powered, heated everything, great for aching bones

* great rear visibility, so you won't be backing into things anymore

* lots of room for ALL the grandkids ...... many seats, many windows

* large, soft seats, for your bony, sagging ass

* automatic off switch for the turn signals

* ample room for your walker

* expansion possibilities for your future wheelchair

* easy entry and exit, so you don't look like a fool anymore when you fall out of your car



be a :happyanim: old man


humfrz


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