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86_IT 08-17-2017 09:04 PM

ACE Sponsored Naturally Aspirated Track Build
 
This build is bringing me back to a history of owning, modifying, and racing Japanese cars. I know many owners go the boosted route as it is relatively affordable to make significant power increases. I, however, will be going the NA route with this build and will essentially be building a modern version of the original AE86 N2 that raced in Japan and are known for their Formula Atlantic 4AGE power plant.The build will be a high revving, naturally aspirated, track ready, monster. The FA20 is relatively untested in high power NA form and i really want to push the envelop of this platform. So far, I have secured sponsorships from IRP and @AceHeader-MT and am continuing to look for sponsors to help make this unique build happen. Ace has provided the build with nearly their entire catalog including a 42.7 Anaconda Header, Over Pipe, Catless Front Pipe, Laguna 100 Catback System, Radiator Intake Duct, and 123 Clubsport Crank Pulley. As for IRP, they have provided the V3 Short Shifter. There is much more to come so stay tuned as the project unfolds. For now some pictures.

http://i.imgur.com/sTHj6kU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OZ6w5tS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qdkvnSZ.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/xd46JQG.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/SsSfTaq.jpg

ApexEight 08-17-2017 09:20 PM

Well this sounds like it's going to be friggin' awesome. Picture at the end of the post doesn't work. Perhaps try hosting on imgur?

86_IT 08-17-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ApexEight (Post 2964094)
Well this sounds like it's going to be friggin' awesome. Picture at the end of the post doesn't work. Perhaps try hosting on imgur?

Fixed

TwistedGray 08-17-2017 10:36 PM

Sounds like a challenge.

86_IT 08-17-2017 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedGray (Post 2964136)
Sounds like a challenge.

Challenge Accepted! I want to hit 250+whp.

TwistedGray 08-17-2017 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2964138)
Challenge Accepted! I want to hit 250+whp.

You have some fun places to play up there in Healdsburg as well :burnrubber:

86_IT 08-18-2017 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedGray (Post 2964144)
You have some fun places to play up there in Healdsburg as well :burnrubber:

Yeah the roads here are amazing!

86_IT 08-21-2017 11:24 PM

Just to outline the build a little bit and start a checklist of things here are the planned engine build specs.

Engine
FA23 hopefully built by @celek
Ace 42.7mm Anaconda Header
Ace Anaconda Overpipe
Ace Catless Front Pipe
Ace Laguna 100 Catback
Ace 123mm Clubsport Crank Pulley
Piper Race Cams
Piper Valve Springs
Piper Retainers
Ported and Polished Head
Delicious Tuning Tune
Perrin Oil Cooler
K&N Air Filter
2017+ Intake Manifold (Port Matched)
Grams 72mm throttle body

Clipdat 08-22-2017 12:36 AM

I saw your car at the 8/6 day event in Santa Clara, but I'm not sure if you had that exhaust on at the time!

airjonny 08-22-2017 01:07 AM

Best of luck! All motor builds are my favorite!

ApexEight 08-22-2017 01:17 AM

What stroker kit are you looking at? And you would be running E85 to hit you power goal, right? Car looks great

86_IT 08-22-2017 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 2966082)
I saw your car at the 8/6 day event in Santa Clara, but I'm not sure if you had that exhaust on at the time!

I had it on at the event.

86_IT 08-22-2017 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ApexEight (Post 2966094)
What stroker kit are you looking at? And you would be running E85 to hit you power goal, right? Car looks great

@celek has designed a 2.3l stroker using an hks crank, custom rods, and pistons. I don't have e85 near me. I hope I won't have to, but likely will.

86_IT 08-22-2017 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airjonny (Post 2966089)
Best of luck! All motor builds are my favorite!

Mine too. I had an NA single cam Civic that was pretty wicked in my Honda building days.

Clipdat 08-22-2017 01:53 AM

Damn, I guess there were too many cars to check out and I missed it. Very cool exhaust choice.

Hope to see you at future meets/drives. I host a Mines Rd drive every Sunday, but that is pretty far away for you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2966100)
I had it on at the event.


celek 08-22-2017 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2966054)
Just to outline the build a little bit and start a checklist of things here are the planned engine build specs.

Engine
FA23 hopefully built by @celek
Ace 42.7mm Anaconda Header
Ace Anaconda Overpipe
Ace Catless Front Pipe
Ace Laguna 100 Catback
Ace 123mm Clubsport Crank Pulley
Piper Race Cams
Piper Valve Springs
Piper Retainers
Ported and Polished Head
Delicious Tuning Tune
Perrin Oil Cooler
K&N Air Filter
2017+ Intake Manifold (Port Matched)
Grams 72mm throttle body

You could by by current assembled block so I can finish R&D on the ITBs
And then assemble another

86_IT 08-22-2017 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by celek (Post 2966274)
You could by by current assembled block so I can finish R&D on the ITBs
And then assemble another

I'd love to, but don't have that kind of cash right now. Gotta save up.

86_IT 08-22-2017 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 2966105)
Damn, I guess there were too many cars to check out and I missed it. Very cool exhaust choice.

Hope to see you at future meets/drives. I host a Mines Rd drive every Sunday, but that is pretty far away for you!

It is hard for me to get weekends off. I work in the restaurant industry so that makes it difficult.

EdBoy 08-23-2017 04:04 AM

good luck, should be an interesting build

86_IT 08-23-2017 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdBoy (Post 2966857)
good luck, should be an interesting build

Thanks. It's not luck i need, but money.

86_IT 09-18-2017 04:21 AM

Just got my front and rear Stoptech Sport Kit in pics to come.

Pat 09-18-2017 08:15 PM

I hate to tell you this, but if you plan on modifying your car to be a "track ready, monster", you're going to need more than OEM-sized rotors, pads and stainless lines.

86_IT 09-18-2017 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat (Post 2980260)
I hate to tell you this, but if you plan on modifying your car to be a "track ready, monster", you're going to need more than OEM-sized rotors, pads and stainless lines.

I agree but I'm not going to invest in $3k brakes before I get more track time under my belt. I do, however, need to upgrade my brakes before spending more time on track.

86_IT 09-18-2017 08:34 PM

https://i.imgur.com/JWZN4SV.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/xUhxtZh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MqDt1bu.jpg
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Swift 09-19-2017 11:14 AM

^Smart choice. Few understand that most sports cars can just upgrade the rotors and pads and be quite good for a beginner since the caliper itself has the stopping power.

Pat 09-19-2017 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift (Post 2980568)
^Smart choice. Few understand that most sports cars can just upgrade the rotors and pads and be quite good for a beginner since the caliper itself has the stopping power.

IMO a set of legit track pads alone would be more beneficial on the track than everything he bought. I strongly disagree with your statement, "...since the caliper itself has the stopping power." Put in a garbage pad with the best caliper around and your car won't stop well at all, especially when things heat up.

nikitopo 09-19-2017 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2964088)
This build is bringing me back to a history of owning, modifying, and racing Japanese cars. I know many owners go the boosted route as it is relatively affordable to make significant power increases. I, however, will be going the NA route with this build and will essentially be building a modern version of the original AE86 N2 that raced in Japan and are known for their Formula Atlantic 4AGE power plant.The build will be a high revving, naturally aspirated, track ready, monster.

I don't think you can build a "monster" by staying NA. Celek is trying years to finish his engine and it is still work in progress. There are already some commercial stroker kits, but it will cost you A LOT. What is the purpose to build a modern version of the AE86 N2? These were old days and now they're gone. Either we like it or not the only way to go forward nowdays is to go with FI.

totopo 09-19-2017 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2964138)
Challenge Accepted! I want to hit 250+whp.

how? that sounds like a lot.

JazzleSAURUS 09-19-2017 12:24 PM

I'm a huuuuuge Stoptech fan for street cars. I've happily run through at least 1-4 sets on all my cars with autox and loads of DD miles. That said, they will definitely get toasty on the track.

I think since you've already bought them, install them and enjoy them, but keep your stock rotors and put some proper track pads on them, and switch your pads and rotors for track days, and enjoy having a really nice, firm, reasonable street pad the rest of the time.

Good luck with your build, I like your end goal, just make sure your trajectory matches or you're going to be buying parts again and again to accomplish your goals!

86_IT 09-19-2017 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 2980600)
I don't think you can build a "monster" by staying NA. Celek is trying years to finish his engine and it is still work in progress. There are already some commercial stroker kits, but it will cost you A LOT. What is the purpose to build a modern version of the AE86 N2? These were old days and now they're gone. Either we like it or not the only way to go forward nowdays is to go with FI.

Forced induction is not the only way. I get that it is the easier way, but I love a high revving NA build. You can have all the power in the world and be slow on track because you can't put it down all the time. If you have a balanced build your car can be a "monster" because you've taken the right formula of light weight, good power, and a good chassis set up. I know not everyone is going to agree with my approach.

86_IT 09-19-2017 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 2980617)
I'm a huuuuuge Stoptech fan for street cars. I've happily run through at least 1-4 sets on all my cars with autox and loads of DD miles. That said, they will definitely get toasty on the track.

I think since you've already bought them, install them and enjoy them, but keep your stock rotors and put some proper track pads on them, and switch your pads and rotors for track days, and enjoy having a really nice, firm, reasonable street pad the rest of the time.

Good luck with your build, I like your end goal, just make sure your trajectory matches or you're going to be buying parts again and again to accomplish your goals!

I got this kit with the intention of upgrading my brakes for a couple track days a year while I learn the car and get back on track. I haven't done a track day in years so I need to get my bearings again. Once I'm tracking more I will do a more serious overhaul on the braking system. Thanks for the encouragement. I have a mapped out plan of attack for once this car is no longer a full fledged daily.

86_IT 09-19-2017 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat (Post 2980578)
IMO a set of legit track pads alone would be more beneficial on the track than everything he bought. I strongly disagree with your statement, "...since the caliper itself has the stopping power." Put in a garbage pad with the best caliper around and your car won't stop well at all, especially when things heat up.

I'm going to get a set of track pads for when I do track days. Since I'll only be doing a few until I have more time to track the car this kit will mainly see street duty.

86_IT 09-19-2017 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2980611)
how? that sounds like a lot.

Built bottom end with higher compression pistons and a stroker kit. Built heads with piper race cams, upgraded valvertrain, and lots of headwork.

Pat 09-19-2017 02:23 PM

Do you have any links to projects that have already gone down this road successfully? It does sound very appealing to me (money no object); I'm just not aware of any.

86_IT 09-19-2017 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat (Post 2980683)
Do you have any links to projects that have already gone down this road successfully? It does sound very appealing to me (money no object); I'm just not aware of any.

Trd griffon.

nikitopo 09-19-2017 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2980699)
Trd griffon.

TRD Griffon was focused to break a single time record on a very specific race track. It is a fast race car, but not a "monster" by modern terms. They used it mainly for marketing purposes and never seen the track again. The same holds for the ASM Honda S2k who holds on certain tracks the best NA record, but cannot face its FI rivals anymore. Your best chances to build nowadays a "monster" is to start with a WRX STI or something similar. That's my opinion ...

86_IT 09-28-2017 08:13 PM

I just ordered the JDM underpanels and Mtec shift springs. I can't wait to get them on the car. Also coming is the Mishimoto radiator, stoptech brakes, and ACE 123mm crank pulley install. After that I'm going to get the car tuned by Delicious and hopefully be ready for my first track day at Thunderhill at the end of October.

Clipdat 09-28-2017 11:39 PM

Nice. I've wanted the JDM underpanels for a while, but don't really have anywhere to install them.

Where did you order yours from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86_IT (Post 2985063)
I just ordered the JDM underpanels and Mtec shift springs. I can't wait to get them on the car. Also coming is the Mishimoto radiator, stoptech brakes, and ACE 123mm crank pulley install. After that I'm going to get the car tuned by Delicious and hopefully be ready for my first track day at Thunderhill at the end of October.


86_IT 09-29-2017 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 2985123)
Nice. I've wanted the JDM underpanels for a while, but don't really have anywhere to install them.

Where did you order yours from?

Ft86speedfactory. I want to make a full flat bottom setup for the car. This is just the start.

86_IT 10-09-2017 02:24 AM

Newest additions. JDM underpanels and Mtec shifter springs. I still need to install the brakes and then I'll be ready for my first track day.
https://i.imgur.com/kaojqPl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7YTZo69.jpg


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