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qqzj 07-25-2017 09:16 PM

Any UOA for manual transmission fluid?
 
I am going to put Motul 300 into both my trans and diff. However, I read an article on oils recently:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/file...nsaxle_oil.pdf

One of the comments scares me a bit:

When we use a GL-5 product in a transmission that requires GL-4, we normally find 2 to 4 times as much copper in the used oil as we would with a GL-4 product (with used oil analysis). Eventually the synchronizers wear to the point that they no longer make contact with the other half of the cone, bottoming out before stopping the opposing gear.

We know the trans oil in 86 is spec-ed as GL-3, which has less EP than GL-4. So GL-5 oil is going to eat away our transmission even quicker? Since Motul 300 is both GL-4 and GL-5 compatible, I am kind of confused. What does it mean to be both GL 4/5 compatible? How does Motul managed to do that? Is Motul 300 is going to destroy our transmission quicker than OEM? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

PS: Another scary comment:

You need to realize that an oil with GL-4/GL-5 on the label is a GL-5. It is not appropriate for synchronized transmissions.

qqzj 07-25-2017 09:18 PM

Pentosin is GL4, but it is 75w80. OEM is 75w90. I am going to pick one from the two. Should I pick Motul or Pentonsin? Thanks.

Teseo 07-25-2017 11:39 PM

Motul or gtfo

humfrz 07-26-2017 02:43 AM

I figure as long as what your putting into the gear cases follows the specifications in your manual ....... it don't make no difference ......for average driving.

I'm ah feared you're overthinking this oil thing .....;)


humfrz

bluesubie 07-26-2017 08:46 AM

Any UOA for manual transmission fluid?
 
From someone on bobistheoilguy.com that is an oil blender:

Quote:

GL-5; Specified for hypoid gear service but with shock loads and severe service operation. Usually meets Mil-L-2105D and in most cases, is the multipurpose automotive gear oil. Most 75W90 to 75W140 grades meet the GL-5 classification. This grade has a high level of Extreme-Pressure additives that could be mildly corrosive to nonferrous parts, such as brass, bronze and aluminum parts. Most of the modern GL-5 lubes contain metal deactivators that prevents attacks by the extreme-pressure additives. In addition to EP additives, these lubes contain rust inhibitors, defoamants, friction modifiers, thickeners, and Viscosity Index Improvers.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ion#Post729255

qqzj 07-26-2017 11:00 AM

That's why some uoa would be helpful. There is one from BMW. Seems to be okay.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=1165727


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venturaII 07-26-2017 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesubie (Post 2951896)
From someone on bobistheoilguy.com that is an oil blender:



https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ion#Post729255



Those deactivators work by creating a coating on the soft metals, protection them from the corrosive action of the EP additives. However in the case of synchros, their fundamental mode of function causes the coating to flake and chip off, which also takes a portion of the base substrate with it. Stick with GL4 or lower and it's not an issue.

qqzj 07-26-2017 06:20 PM

Well, the spec calls for GL4 75w90 gear oil, here are two that fit the bill exactly. the problem is that both got bad reviews from 86 drivers. I choose pentonsin and motul b/c they got relatively less bad reviews. in fact, i have bought motul already. but i am okay to buy 3 qts other oil since i can use motul next time for diff anyway

Redline MT90,
https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46

Amsoil MTG
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-lube-75w-90/

gravitylover 07-27-2017 10:29 AM

A while back I asked at a local parts store and the guy pulled out a Pennzoil (I think) GL3 75W90.

mav1178 07-31-2017 09:14 PM

I did it back in 2015.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88580

qqzj 08-01-2017 01:08 AM

Nice. Thanks! Seem Amsoil is pretty good. Have you heard any negative feedback for Amsoil? Thanks.

four-mat 08-03-2017 09:59 PM

I got the dimple magnet plugs should I buy 3 more for the fill and drain plug for differential and transmission?

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cueball89 08-03-2017 10:45 PM

I switched from the oem fluid to the Amsoil MTG. Similar feel when cold and shifting in to 2nd gear. Other wise it's nice and smooth and I have no complaints with it.

VR4EVER 08-04-2017 03:26 PM

I've got Amsoil in mine. It's ok... I am going to switch to Pentosin though. I think it had redline in it when I bought it (fluid was awfully red when I drained it...) and it shifted better than the Amsoil.

I only changed it because I wasn't sure what it had in it and wanted to be sure it wasn't the stock junk.


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