The actual age range for the generations varies greatly depending upon who you ask and when. For example, MetLife categorized Millennials as those born between 1977 and 1994 in 2008: https://www.metlife.com/assets/cao/m...ic-profile.pdf, yet sometime between 2015 and 2016 changed the range to be those born between 1982 and 2000: https://benefittrends.metlife.com/us...s-perspective/.

The common explanation is that the age range of a given generational stereotype can vary by locale due to cultural, educational, and other influences. My personal explanation is that it's all utter bullshit better left ignored.

Agree. I hear all this 'millenials are lazy! They'll never amount to anything! They just want to rack up student debt and serve latte's with a side of avocado toast!'

Meanwhile I own a house, two cars for myself, one for my wife, a dog, no student debt...

It's less a generational issue, more of an issue of people wanting to set goals and achieve them. :threadjacked:

In before lock...

Well, everyone is different, but it is very much a generational issue.
My parents and grandparents grew up in times of The Great Depression and two World Wars. They had a very different experience and take on life and passed it on to their kids and grand-kids.
I see that many in my generation did not pass that experience on to their kids and grand-kids so they (kids) have a much different outlook now. I see my generation as having failed, to a large extent, to instill some of the good values we learned.
There obviously are still folks (like you) that still have the values of hard work, persistence, and thankfulness for what they have and honor them and pass them on. We do see too many now that expect too much, because they never knew different.
Before you think I live in "the good old days" all the time, I don't. There was plenty of bad then, as well!

Yes, but I digress.:bonk: What were we talking about, anyway?:iono:

Man this thread went deep....

How about the geopolitical repercussions of over fishing in the Asian Pacific?

well given the vast migratory patterns of most fish such as blue fin tuna and the variety of predators that depend on those fish the impact can be very serious indeed.

unfortunatly recent actions taken to help reduce over fishing haven't accomplished much even as fish production has stagnated over the last 20 years or so.

http://www.asiapacfish.org/

Listen, Dave I'm a man who prides himself in the highest levels of customer satisfaction. I work in this area and go above and beyond for customers. If he had left a message that his whole company was on vacation I would be more understanding. I tried to contact his company 4 ways to let him know about this. I'm sure that most of you guys on here don't give a shit about service but I'm not you guys. What I can't understand is that some folks on here have said Gruppe-S is notorious for not answering messages or phone calls yet that implies to me Gruppe-S knows that they have a customer service issue way before me. If you guys want to continue to make excuses for them be my guess.

I'm happy at least 1 or 2 guys in this thread understands this! The main reason I didn't respond to this thread anymore is because 90+% of folks on here will side with the vendor anyway.

Apologize for what? I didn't lie on them.

Tcoat, did you even read what I wrote? I contacted them 4 different ways and his whole company went on vacation without leaving any messages. You guys are still missing the friggin point. I'm done with this thread..

I like how you say it's ridiculous that I'm not replying to this thread yet the main reason I open this thread is because a vendor didn't have the audacity to let customers know they are on vacation. I paid my money to Gruppe-S and so they owed me some kind of explanation. I don't owe shit to you *****. I'm not the one with this internet e-thugging bs you're running.

I'm not ashamed though. They made the mistake and they said sorry. If they had left a message on their phone about being on vacation there would've never been a thread to begin with.

The problem with most people is they take complaints too personal. If I owned a business that got complaints about specific things I would address it as I personally believe that's how a business thrives. You can sell a great product but have shitty service and still fail too but this message will probably fall on deaf ears anyway.

So.. how long did it take for Gruppe-S to respond from the day you received wrong item?? Im not here to protect anyone, but I guess it really doesn't matter how many times you tried nor how may different ways you tried. I consider it fair if seller/vendor response in 2-3 days. Yeah, they made 2 mistakes 1. Put shipping label on wrong item which is understandable. 2. They didn't put any form of notice saying they are not available for few days. However, he eventually came out and responded to your order issue and tried to correct it asap from the point he noticed & he apologized as well. So I still think that you owe at least adding updates as what and how this matter is handled. And leave judgement for each individual. Just my opinion...

I still think you overreacted in all honesty....

That seems to be the common thing to say without adding what they could've done to better the situation by letting customers know the whole entire fleet is on vacation/out of town. It's like a parent who makes excuses for a child rather than acknowledging what they did was wrong. People have said the they are hard to get a hold of. If you start a retail business these are things you must look forward to.

Fair way of thinking. He refunded me my money so all is well now but the wrong item being shipped was never the BIG issue. It's communication. If he has had communication issues in the past which it seems he does as 2 guys in this thread has said then leaving a message would've easily sufficed.

Lol calm your tits. You clearly didn't see the sarcasm in the post.

And yeah, they did owe you an explanation. Problem is you gave them like 37 minutes before getting your panties in a bunch and freaking out.

and "e-thugging"? That's cute. I see no "e-thugging" here. I see a lot of e-crying though.

The explanation would've been in a voicemail that says "out of town" but you still cant get it through your head. Your kind is the reason I gave up on this thread.

Mods please close this thread. Any issues I come across ever again with a vendor I'll just keep it to myself.

Many thanks!:thumbup:

I still think you're overreacting.

Please don't. The standard of what is "acceptable" nowadays is pretty piss poor.

I often get asked why I bought XYZ from so and so, when I can get it cheaper at ABC. I'm aware it's cheaper at ABC. I bought it from XYZ because they offer the support/service that I want.

You get what you pay for.

People are defending Gruppe-S for a couple of reasons, mainly that the all caps screamy title is a juvenile overreaction. Maybe try I Didn't Hear From A Vendor For A Few Days After Purchasing A Product And Am Totally Freaking Out.

Alternatively, understand the aftermarket a bit better, you seem new to it. Things move much slower, it's not Amazon. Often components are not even built when purchased, manufacturers of parts are waiting on other parts etc. An example: there are people who paid for Edelbrock superchargers in April that are still waiting to receive them. I hear communication isn't very useful and timelines aren't accurate.

I wish they pulled some people off the floor to respond to emails quicker! Wait..

Or just chill out a little bit? Realize time until email returned is not a metric of relevance to the aftermarket. Some good old fashioned adult-style patience is in order in this market particularly. Change the stupid title.

I still don't understand why it took you 10 days to reply and update everyone. You overreacted and made this thread right away without waiting but still waited 10 days to update here.....:thumbdown:

Whiney snowflake

Is that your best? Snowflake is the lamest insult I've ever heard/seen...lol.

You know what I did exactly what you said. I decided to buy the Tomei equivalent instead of the Tomei UEL. I didn't think much of it at the time because everybody on here had good things to say about the product but I should've looked into the service of the vendor prior to purchase.

Where do you see the title in all caps? I wont respond to all the other things you said because I have done that like 20 times already. Do yourself a favor and read what Gruppe said and what I said couple of posts ago

From whomst are you buying your tune/tuner?
:scared0016::popcorn:

Because Gruppe S came in and told you guys how it was handled like 8 days ago. I'm starting to wonder if you guys hate reading but quick to say stupid stuff. I didn't want to regurgitate what the company said.

I wouldn't tune this guys car with a 10ft pole

A shop named DBW Motorsports in Atlanta. They do the best work period. Over the past 3 years he has tuned dozens of n/a and turbo 86s and guess what? Nobody has a blown engine and his install is pretty much perfect. I notice a lot of SBD owners have problems from installing the kit themselves yet the most reliable ones in Georgia is tuned by DBW. The thing I love about SBD and DBW is that they will usually let you know if they are out of state on their FB page or when you call them and I always get a response in 24 hours. Communication and service is key to me.

Stupid stufff.....do you ever hear yourself. Ok...8 days not 10 days....GruppeS guys had to step in and update everyone because you failed to update how you made the fool of yourself by jumping the gun.

And its not about repeating what the company said, but admitting your mistake and owing upto it. This thread would have been closed already if you would have just said how Gruppe guys owned upto there mistake and you appreciate them fixing there mistake.
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See that's where me and you disagree. I didn't make a mistake! I told the truth that they didn't answer my call but later found out they were out of state on vacation. If they had left a message on their answering machine this would've never happen. Please process that will you? Geez

I'm still wondering what Gruppe is full of...

Did you even read what I wrote and understood it.
You started with truth but you didn't complete the story as to what happened afterwards. Did you appreciate Gruppe fixing the issue or should they have just left with you the stuff that you received by mistake. Gruppe guys owned up and admitted there mistake. The least you could do is appreciate that. How about you process that before you keep make a fool of yourself....Geez

All that tells me is that either:

- None of their customers are actually driving their cars
- They're lying
- They're detuning the cars like crazy to prevent issues.

Nobody is perfect, and the limitations of this engine are pretty well documented. The statement is bold is impossible.


SBD instead of Greddy? Are you ready to have the same problem you just admitted to above?

:lol:

I forsee a great thread coming in the near future.