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rookietopro_frs 06-28-2017 01:32 PM

Dyno Day
 
Had a blast with my first every dyno day in the FRS. Never had a car worth taking to get test, until now. Had to see how my car was doing bone stock before adding modifications ! Check it out if you have time.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8NiO-5_PUM"]Dyno Day w/ Scion FRS - YouTube[/ame]

rookietopro_frs 07-05-2017 03:39 PM

Hopefully someone can help me, I need to figure out what my next mods should be? Go some friends in Mustangs/Camaros, etc dissing my FRS ! I keep trying to remind them my car has so much potential

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 07-05-2017 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2940672)
Hopefully someone can help me, I need to figure out what my next mods should be? Go some friends in Mustangs/Camaros, etc dissing my FRS ! I keep trying to remind them my car has so much potential

How much power are you looking to gain?

If you want enough to worry Mustangs and Camaros, then you need forced induction.

Lynxis 07-05-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh (Post 2940685)
How much power are you looking to gain?

If you want enough to worry Mustangs and Camaros, then you need forced induction.

If they've got V6's then just a header and a tune and they won't completely dust you in a straight line but if V8s then yeah, turbo or supercharger or get used to being made fun of.

DAEMANO 07-05-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2940672)
Hopefully someone can help me, I need to figure out what my next mods should be? Go some friends in Mustangs/Camaros, etc dissing my FRS ! I keep trying to remind them my car has so much potential

Recently answered this one for another new owner. Here's the link to that thread and a moderately exhaustive & prioritized list.


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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2939736)
No change in recommendation if those weren't your miles. Just drive it before making changes. Get a good feel for the stock car. Now if those were your miles, then decide...

Interior, exterior, performance or safety. Put all your effort into one and you'll get the best result. Here's the order I would go in for each category...

Exterior appearance...

Spacers
If the wheel gap doesn't bother you, and you want to keep the stock wheels & tires... spacers will get the wheels flush with the fenders and give the car a wider stance.

Springs, shocks or coilovers
If the wheel gap DOES bother you, then drop the car .8"-1.0" inches front to back on springs (Racecomp Yellow, Eibach Prokit, TRD, RS-R DownSus). If you want coilovers then KW, Tein, RS-R, Racecomp, Ohlins are all great options that will improve both ride and handling while helping you decrease the wheel gap. Don't drop more than 1.25" unless you want axle problems.

LED swap
Change the exterior LED bulbs from the factory ~4000k to pure white 5000k or icy 6000k all the way around. This is a cheap upgrade that really improves the look of the car at night (Diodedynamics is a great vendor.)

Taillights
I'd go tails before heads on lighting a <2016 car to get the biggest bang for buck.

Lip Kit
A simple "CS Style" lip kit (or others) improves the look of the car drastically and can be installed with just a jack.

Axleback or Catback exhaust
These don't improve the performance of the car really at all so they go under appearance. Sound and looks are 100% subjective so no recommendations here.

Interior appearance

LED lighting
As noted prior, this helps, lots... and it's cheap)

Replace or wrap interior plastics
Replace with upgraded OEM, buy Aftermarket fabric/leather, vinyl wrap or plasti-dip them interior bits to give your car a more cohesive/custom look.

Seat covers
Can go a mile to upgrade the look of your interior. SARD, Clazzio, WetOkole, Katzkin, there are tons of mfgs for as little as $300 and as much as $2000.

Shift knob / reverse lockout
A weighted shift knob works wonders to smooth out the shifting in this car. On the opposite end an ultra light shift knob improves feel if you prefer it that way. In either case a custom shift knob provides a nice finishing touch to an ugpraded interior.

Performance

Tools and a Jack
Camber bolts
Performance alignment
Brake Pads and fluid
Tires
ECU Tune (OFT/ECUTek)
Header
E85 upgrade
Shocks/Springs or Coilovers
Forced Induction (Turbo or Super)
Catch can(s)
Injectors & Fuel pump
Surge Tank
BBK


Safety
Helmet
Track days/HDPE/Driving school
Tires
Brake Pads & Fluid or BBK
Horn Upgrade
Harness bar
HANS


strat61caster 07-05-2017 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2940672)
Hopefully someone can help me, I need to figure out what my next mods should be? Go some friends in Mustangs/Camaros, etc dissing my FRS ! I keep trying to remind them my car has so much potential

Nobody sells thicker skin you'll have to DIY that upgrade.


imho if you're trying to stay with pony cars in a straight line go straight to forced induction, $5k for an off the shelf setup that'll keep pace with the V6's and stock I4's. If you're trying to hang with modded I4's or V8's get ready to double that investment and spend endless time chasing bugs, nothing is plug and play at the >300whp you will want.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81493
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8


If straight line is your jam but you don't want a pony car I say cut your losses now and find a nice C6 Covette.

rookietopro_frs 07-06-2017 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh (Post 2940685)
How much power are you looking to gain?

If you want enough to worry Mustangs and Camaros, then you need forced induction.

Honestly would love to have around 350 WHP. Don't want to lose the FRS charactoristics & become just a straight line rocket. Handle is my top priority & the better I become as a driver the more power I'll add. Would love a turbo, but honestly not in the budget right now.

rookietopro_frs 07-06-2017 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynxis (Post 2940733)
If they've got V6's then just a header and a tune and they won't completely dust you in a straight line but if V8s then yeah, turbo or supercharger or get used to being made fun of.

True, haha my friends really not stressing me. With that mentality I'll never be satisfied with the power gains. Always someone faster out there than me.

rookietopro_frs 07-06-2017 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2940755)
Recently answered this one for another new owner. Here's the link to that thread and a moderately exhaustive & prioritized list.

WOW I LOVE THIS ! Reading it now, thanks. Knowledge is power

rookietopro_frs 07-06-2017 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2940791)
Nobody sells thicker skin you'll have to DIY that upgrade.


imho if you're trying to stay with pony cars in a straight line go straight to forced induction, $5k for an off the shelf setup that'll keep pace with the V6's and stock I4's. If you're trying to hang with modded I4's or V8's get ready to double that investment and spend endless time chasing bugs, nothing is plug and play at the >300whp you will want.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81493
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8


If straight line is your jam but you don't want a pony car I say cut your losses now and find a nice C6 Covette.

Appreciate your suggestions, but I'm good ! Haha never been a guy who wanted to be the fastest in a straight line. I'll power over time, but no rush because like you said "if you're trying to hand with modded I4's or V8's get ready to double that investment and spend endless time chasing bugs" . Definitely want to keep this build progress fun.

Scrappydoo 07-06-2017 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2941060)
WOW I LOVE THIS ! Reading it now, thanks. Knowledge is power

Knowledge up to 350 bhp and you're sorted...

Lynxis 07-06-2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2941063)
Appreciate your suggestions, but I'm good ! Haha never been a guy who wanted to be the fastest in a straight line. I'll power over time, but no rush because like you said "if you're trying to hand with modded I4's or V8's get ready to double that investment and spend endless time chasing bugs" . Definitely want to keep this build progress fun.

Because we're so much lighter and have better aero design, you only need ~280 at the wheel to keep up with a V8 in a straight line. This is perfectly possible with any off the shelf bolt-on kit with 93 octane, basic breathing mods and a good tune. Tons of guys are making 280 at the wheels with these setups. E85 and you'll be pulling over 320whp although anyone making that power level inevitably breaks something.

rookietopro_frs 07-11-2017 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynxis (Post 2941227)
Because we're so much lighter and have better aero design, you only need ~280 at the wheel to keep up with a V8 in a straight line. This is perfectly possible with any off the shelf bolt-on kit with 93 octane, basic breathing mods and a good tune. Tons of guys are making 280 at the wheels with these setups. E85 and you'll be pulling over 320whp although anyone making that power level inevitably breaks something.

I would love to run E85, where I live there are plenty of gas stations. Better yet flex fuel. I agree with everything you said.

rookietopro_frs 10-06-2017 05:05 AM

Hopefully I can get exhaust & a tune soon. So ready to start with the power mods.

rookietopro_frs 10-25-2017 04:59 AM

What you guys think is the best bang for your buck for power upgrades?

Shark_Bait88 10-25-2017 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2996178)
What you guys think is the best bang for your buck for power upgrades?

We did a dyno day recently with 15 86s. They didn't run it the best, so torque curves seem kinda off. But based on what we saw, I'd say Flex-Fuel kit with a tune is best bang for the buck.

https://www.pointmeby.com/2017/10/18...esults-15-86s/

FRS Justin 10-27-2017 08:58 PM

How much you want to spend is the question,

rookietopro_frs 10-28-2017 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88 (Post 2996215)
We did a dyno day recently with 15 86s. They didn't run it the best, so torque curves seem kinda off. But based on what we saw, I'd say Flex-Fuel kit with a tune is best bang for the buck.

https://www.pointmeby.com/2017/10/18...esults-15-86s/

OH! I would love to do Flex-Fuel someday, but first major mod I might do is JDL UEL Headers + 2.5 Perrin Cat-back Exhaust with a tune.

rookietopro_frs 10-28-2017 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2997342)
How much you want to spend is the question,

Very true, honestly I'm not holding back with this build. Of course it won't happen overnight, but that's the fun part of it.

FRS Justin 10-28-2017 11:17 AM

I think your 350hp goal is good anything more is really a waste on the street. still you are looking at 10 to 15 grand to build a car that will last. probably closer to 10 if you go s/c 15 for turbo setup. it can be done in stages if you go s/c and you could still buy some upgrades that will work with a turbo. something to consider when for your build is availability of good e85. if it was me I would go buy a e85 tester for 20 bucks run down to the closest e85 pump and test the quality of the fuel. it could range anywhere from e50 to e95 and that will make a big difference on your build..

rookietopro_frs 10-30-2017 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2997478)
I think your 350hp goal is good anything more is really a waste on the street. still you are looking at 10 to 15 grand to build a car that will last. probably closer to 10 if you go s/c 15 for turbo setup. it can be done in stages if you go s/c and you could still buy some upgrades that will work with a turbo. something to consider when for your build is availability of good e85. if it was me I would go buy a e85 tester for 20 bucks run down to the closest e85 pump and test the quality of the fuel. it could range anywhere from e50 to e95 and that will make a big difference on your build..

Glad you agree with a 350 WHP goal. Personality I feel if eager for a 500 WHP range, that's like supercar territory. Love a balanced / reliable build. I never thought about doing that E85 fuel tester. I'll look into that ASAP, where can I buy this tool if you mind me asking?

FRS Justin 10-30-2017 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rookietopro_frs (Post 2997931)
Glad you agree with a 350 WHP goal. Personality I feel if eager for a 500 WHP range, that's like supercar territory. Love a balanced / reliable build. I never thought about doing that E85 fuel tester. I'll look into that ASAP, where can I buy this tool if you mind me asking?

amazon for 20 bucks
type holley e85 tester

rookietopro_frs 11-01-2017 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2997956)
amazon for 20 bucks
type holley e85 tester

Found it ! Has great reviews, thanks

rookietopro_frs 01-24-2018 09:37 PM

Got a new mod, that should help with lap times (coming soon)


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