Totally off topic but... BRZ tS or Civic Type R? O_O
 

Soooooooo... am I the only one who has been eyeing for a BRZ either this year or 2018 all to turn 180 when they released the CTR? FWD vs RWD? Thoughts anyone? Totally different animals I know but for some reason my inner 8 year old is getting pulled towards the CTR.

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The CTR review embargo ends next week, so watch out for assessments later in the week - initial comments on social media look promising.

If I lived in an area where abundant twisty roads were within a reasonable driving distance, I probably wouldn't be giving the CTR much attention and await the arrival of the PP BRZ in Canada (or splurge irresponsibly on a Miata RF). But I abide in the heart of Gridville, Ontario, where my driving pleasure has to be extracted from ruler-straight roads and highways, as well as traffic-laden right-angle intersections, with only the occasional on- or off-ramp available for relief. Within a few hours' drive there is only one tiny area with a few winding roads (in the Caledon hills) and that's by all accounts heavily policed.

This context greatly increases the relative appeal of the Type R to me; its handling may not be quite as subtle but I'd get to enjoy real power, something I can make much more use of in my context. The R's highly adjustable suspension also holds appeal - it apparently can go from comfortable cruiser to track weapon at the flick of a drive mode switch thanks in large part to its advanced three-chamber adjustable shocks.

I'm in the exact same situation you are... sigh guess I'll wait for the embargo to lift to read some reviews.

Both completely different cars. CTR costing more and more rare.

If you live in a big area, good luck finding one. CTR will be sold out most of everywhere.

I did look at replacing my BRZ a couple of years ago with the previous shape Type R the FK2, I'm not sure if you got that in the states. Anyway it was a very capable car and incredibly quick, the handling and driving dynamics were brilliant. I could happily have used it for the daily usage, the adjustable suspension did make a noticeable difference.
However it just lacked that extra feel you get from a twin (the RWD edge I guess), which is one of the reasons why I didn't end up buying one. The other was the cost at the time.

Would I buy a new one? Yes if I needed a car with 4 doors and 5 usable seats.

From what I've seen on the CTR forums it looks like this year's allocation is claimed already. Good chance I'm wrong since I don't traffic much there, just took a little peak inside a few days ago.

On the other hand, I've test driven a PP two times now and have come away deeply impressed. All of the little changes to indeed add up to more than a sum of their parts as indicated in a review that's floating around. The suspension is smoother than my 2015 while having sharper turn in. Subaru has really figured out their chassis setup with this car.

Yes

BRZ all the way. I just can't FWD. I can't.


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I hate the look of the new Hondas. BRZ all the way.

That's initially true for just about every Next Big Thing to hit, but a demand-supply equilibrium is nearly always established eventually, although patience may be needed. The Focus RS was very hard to get after the initial rush of gushing reviews (albeit a bit less difficult here in Canada). But now 18 months or so out, they are reported to be going out the door for near invoice in several US regions, and are sitting in many dealers' lots.

My prediction for the CTR: in Canada, an order placed by the end of this year for a 2018 will be fulfilled in about 6-8 months - although you'll be paying full MSRP. Of course that may just be wishful thinking.

No you wouldn't, because the CTR is (and always has been) a four seater....

Alonso needs to carjack one of the CTRs on display at the Montreal F1 circuit for the race tomorrow - it would give him a better chance of actually making it to the finish line.

the ctr is probably going to be the better car and performer but its also a lot more expensive. at least here in america i imagine.

I am waiting for Subaru to have a BRZ Sti with 2.4L DIT and 340hp. Would be a much better car than CTR. But I won't mind to have Honda's MT.