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phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:08 PM

MAJOR PROBLEM WITH MY NEW 2017 BRZ!!!! HELP!
 
So a short background, I just got my 2017 Subaru BRZ Limited Inazuma edition a month ago, and the car just reached 1000 miles last weekend. I've owned 7 other manual transmission cars, and have never experienced anything like this before. The first 1000 miles, I took it real easy until maybe around 800 miles which I would just hit 5-6000 rpms from time to time. I also just got an oil change last weekend as well after I reached the 1000 mile threshold. Anyways, today I went out for a drive, and noticed that the car was making some weird grinding/vibration/drilling noise anytime the car reaches 5,000 RPMs or greater between gears 2,3,4. Can someone help me pinpoint the issue or help get me in the right direction? I just posted a new video not too long ago to show you the problem. You can fast forward to :07-:13 to hear the problem I'm talking about. Thank you in advance.

https://youtu.be/mDbc6QYAd0A

Boomerang 05-26-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917343)
So a short background, I just got my 2017 Subaru BRZ Limited Inazuma edition a month ago, and the car just reached 1000 miles last weekend. I've owned 7 other manual transmission cars, and have never experienced anything like this before. The first 1000 miles, I took it real easy until maybe around 800 miles which I would just hit 5-6000 rpms from time to time. I also just got an oil change last weekend as well after I reached the 1000 mile threshold. Anyways, today I went out for a drive, and noticed that the car was making some weird grinding/vibration/drilling noise anytime the car reaches 5,000 RPMs or greater between gears 2,3,4. Can someone help me pinpoint the issue or help get me in the right direction? I just posted a new video not too long ago to show you the problem. You can fast forward to :07-:13 to hear the problem I'm talking about. Thank you in advance.

https://youtu.be/mDbc6QYAd0A


Check your oil level as you may have too much

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:20 PM

I have a 17 BRZ as well, this is why I got the new" with warranty. You should'nt be hitting 6000 rpm during break-in. Period. I cant hear the noise in your video, but you are driving it like you stole it. I suppose you damaged something in the engine or transmission. If you wanted 400hp, you should have bought a car with 400hp.
Not trying to be rude.
Atleast you have the new warranty to fall back on.
Also from some research I found it takes near 10k km to fully break in all the powertrain components.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 05-26-2017 08:24 PM

All I'm hearing is noise from the sound tube and the intake whoosh. Nothing ominous

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomerang (Post 2917347)
Check your oil level as you may have too much

I did, it looks like it is above the 2 dots and not in the middle but my question is, how does having too much oil make the engine/motor sound like its grinding? I'm just trying to learn so this mistake doesn't happen again.

Summerwolf 05-26-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917351)
I have a 17 BRZ as well, this is why I got the new" with warranty. You should'nt be hitting 6000 rpm during break-in. Period. I cant hear the noise in your video, but you are driving it like you stole it. I suppose you damaged something in the engine or transmission. If you wanted 400hp, you should have bought a car with 400hp.
Not trying to be rude.
Atleast you have the new warranty to fall back on.
Also from some research I found it takes near 10k km to fully break in all the powertrain components.

Well. Thats some of the dumbest forum commentary I have ever read. He said he waited until 1000 miles before driving hard and cars nowadays don't generally have a "break in" period according to most manufacturers. Also.... gotta wring this lazy motor out to get any hope of power out of it, so... I think it looks like he is just driving it lol.

OP. Delete the video. Take the car to the dealer.

Although I don't hear anything.... these motors are very noisy up top.

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh (Post 2917354)
All I'm hearing is noise from the sound tube and the intake whoosh. Nothing ominous

My sound generator makes a buzzing sound after 5k rpm as well. Is that the sound? Hi Canada, cheers eh :cheers:

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2917356)
Well. Thats some of the dumbest forum commentary I have ever read. He said he waited until 1000 miles before driving hard and cars nowadays don't generally have a "break in" period according to most manufacturers. Also.... gotta wring this lazy motor out to get any hope of power out of it, so... I think it looks like he is just driving it lol.

OP. Delete the video. Take the car to the dealer.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it, got me a fan!

P.s. If thats how you drive a $40,000 sportscar ten minutes after you pass the "suggested break-in" you have more money than brains.

trippinbillies40 05-26-2017 08:32 PM

Yep, just take it to your closest dealer and ask to have a tech ride along with you.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917351)
I have a 17 BRZ as well, this is why I got the new" with warranty. You should'nt be hitting 6000 rpm during break-in. Period. I cant hear the noise in your video, but you are driving it like you stole it. I suppose you damaged something in the engine or transmission. If you wanted 400hp, you should have bought a car with 400hp.
Not trying to be rude.
Atleast you have the new warranty to fall back on.
Also from some research I found it takes near 10k km to fully break in all the powertrain components.

I've owned a few new cars, and only on rare occasions enjoy going above the 4000 RPM during a break in period. I don't think it will damage a car unless im redlining through all the gears and consistently abusing it. My 1st car which was a Scion tC 2006, I def did not follow the rules and got well over 100k miles with no issues to the motor even though I didn't follow the first 1000 mile rule. With this car, I def treated it like a baby til around 800 miles, then I would occasionally shift gears at higher rpms in 1st and 2nd.

Boomerang 05-26-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917355)
I did, it looks like it is above the 2 dots and not in the middle but my question is, how does having too much oil make the engine/motor sound like its grinding? I'm just trying to learn so this mistake doesn't happen again.

How far above?

Too much oil will give you higher oil pressures and can damage the motor

tony-brz 05-26-2017 08:33 PM

Sounds like an interior rattle to me.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 05-26-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917357)
My sound generator makes a buzzing sound after 5k rpm as well. Is that the sound? Hi Canada, cheers eh :cheers:

Cheers matey! Yarrrr lol

trippinbillies40 05-26-2017 08:34 PM

Again... The car is under warranty. Instead of letting the internet listen to a youtube video and diagnose your car for you, just go get it fixed for free. That's what the warranty is for :)

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917357)
My sound generator makes a buzzing sound after 5k rpm as well. Is that the sound? Hi Canada, cheers eh :cheers:

Yeah, thats the sound I'm getting, didn't think it was normal because I've never heard anything like it, and as Summerwolf mentioned, this car is made to go to the higher RPMS as I think it enjoys being above 4000 RPMs.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomerang (Post 2917362)
How far above?

Too much oil will give you higher oil pressures and can damage the motor

after wiping the dipstick, it's right on the 2nd dot. Should I just go to the dealership and get an oil change? I went to some random place after waiting 2 hours at the Subaru dealership when they told me it would be a 10 minute wait -_-.

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917368)
Yeah, thats the sound I'm getting, didn't think it was normal because I've never heard anything like it, and as Summerwolf mentioned, this car is made to go to the higher RPMS as I think it enjoys being above 4000 RPMs.

I agree it likes high rpm's, but he is driving it hard. Also he changed the oil at 1000miles, they recommend 10,000km oil change, that is because the moly used to build the engine is still doing its job, even after "suggested break-in".

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:44 PM

also, if you guys put on a pair of headphones, you'll actually be able to hear what im talking about. If you just have your speakers on(which I just played the video back with speakers), you can't hear the sound I'm talking about.

Boomerang 05-26-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917369)
after wiping the dipstick, it's right on the 2nd dot. Should I just go to the dealership and get an oil change? I went to some random place after waiting 2 hours at the Subaru dealership when they told me it would be a 10 minute wait -_-.

That's all good, correct level

Don't tell the dealership you had some random place change your oil or you may void your warranty and be liable for damages

Can't hear much in the video to worry about, could be shifter vibration noise as this is a common issue

:burnrubber:

mav1178 05-26-2017 08:46 PM

I don't hear anything. Your car is fine.

(The views expressed in this post does not, in any way, represent actual useful advice. Take your car to a dealer, it's why there's a new car warranty...)

mav1178 05-26-2017 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917371)
also, if you guys put on a pair of headphones, you'll actually be able to hear what im talking about. If you just have your speakers on(which I just played the video back with speakers), you can't hear the sound I'm talking about.

Sorry, I listened to the video with headphones and can't hear anything that is a "MAJOR PROBLEM WITH (YOUR) NEW 2017 BRZ!!!!!"

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:48 PM

All I was trying to say is, I sometimes find myself hard on the engine, craving MORE POWERRR. But if redline is danger, then constantly being beside redline is not easy on the engine, it is working hard.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917370)
I agree it likes high rpm's, but he is driving it hard. Also he changed the oil at 1000miles, they recommend 10,000km oil change, that is because the moly used to build the engine is still doing its job, even after "suggested break-in".

That's me in the video lol but yeah my general rule of thumb is that I always do with a new car is change the oil at 1,000 miles even though I know I probably don't need to, I do it anyways since I know after 1,000 miles I'm going to start to actually learn more about my car, and how it performs as a sports car. I know most people don't like to beat on there new cars but having a sports car that's created around the drivers mindset of having fun should be able to handle a little bit of abuse without the worries. I mean if I wanted to drive like an old man and never enjoy my cars potential, I would've gotten a 4 door or a SUV lol. Just saying, I do love my car, and treat her good so when problems come up like just now, I'm at least being honest and trying to get help to come up with a solution.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2917375)
Sorry, I listened to the video with headphones and can't hear anything that is a "MAJOR PROBLEM WITH (YOUR) NEW 2017 BRZ!!!!!"

Well, I have very sensitive and fine tuned ears to hear the buzzing/grinding noise that doesn't sound normal to me, and I do see it as a problem because I have owned a 2013 Scion FRS and it never made that kind of buzzing/grinding noise PERIOD. I've put over 50,000 miles on her before moving onto this BRZ. I think I will take it to the dealership so they can check it out. Was just hoping someone on here can see what I'm talking about and help me out instead of criticizing how I drive : /

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 08:55 PM

If you listen right when the car hits 47mph and onward, the noise is there and constant through the shifts. Like a rattle, I don't know how else to explain it but it goes from rattle noise to a blade/cutting noise *sigh.

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917378)
Well, I have very sensitive and fine tuned ears to hear the buzzing/grinding noise that doesn't sound normal to me, and I do see it as a problem because I have owned a 2013 Scion FRS and it never made that kind of buzzing/grinding noise PERIOD. I've put over 50,000 miles on her before moving onto this BRZ. I think I will take it to the dealership so they can check it out. Was just hoping someone on here can see what I'm talking about and help me out instead of criticizing how I drive : /

Better to blow the engine under new warranty, than to not have fun!:popcorn:
I can tell from your video, you keep expecting massive horsepower at 7000 rpm, which is not there. I never criticized your driving.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZdart17 (Post 2917382)
Better to blow the engine under new warranty, than to not have fun!:popcorn:

I just think as long as a person isn't sitting on red line, then there's no problem. I've watched thousands of fail videos of people blowing there motor and thats because most of them were idiots holding red line/failing at burn outs. I don't do burnouts :popcorn:

BRZdart17 05-26-2017 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917384)
I just think as long as a person isn't sitting on red line, then there's no problem. I've watched thousands of fail videos of people blowing there motor and thats because most of them were idiots holding red line/failing at burn outs. I don't do burnouts :popcorn:

Burnouts are fun as long as you have the wheel locked up to the left or right, it breaks traction easier that way. :popcorn:
At the end of the day, you have a warranty. So, I would proceed that route if the engine is making grinding sounds.

tony-brz 05-26-2017 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917380)
If you listen right when the car hits 47mph and onward, the noise is there and constant through the shifts. Like a rattle, I don't know how else to explain it but it goes from rattle noise to a blade/cutting noise *sigh.

Are you sure it's not just a rattle in the interior? Harmonization is a thing. I have a 2017 too, at certain frequencies and on some road surfaces I hear a rattle in my interior similar to what I heard in your video.

My 2017 is at about 4500 miles.. and has seen 2 track days .

I think you're overreacting, unless the audio reproduction is just shit in your video.

BTW : i listened to your video with audiophile level headphones.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 09:59 PM

I'll try taking everything out of my car, and running a test drive to make sure I'm not crazy since no one here seems to think I have a car issue ><

tony-brz 05-26-2017 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917419)
I'll try taking everything out of my car, and running a test drive to make sure I'm not crazy since no one here seems to think I have a car issue ><

Dude, it's brand new, if our suggestions really aren't aligning with your opinion it's time to take it to the dealer.

phiflyhigh 05-26-2017 10:21 PM

yeah, i think i'm going to end up taking it to the dealer, get an oil change again, if it don't fix the problem, i'm going to have to tell a tech to ride with me to see if I'm just tripping. Thanks though for your guys help, and hopefully I'm just going crazy.

Tcoat 05-26-2017 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917419)
I'll try taking everything out of my car, and running a test drive to make sure I'm not crazy since no one here seems to think I have a car issue ><

Try this:
Open glove box
Locate plug in 12 volt socket
Remove plug
Lift carpet at front of passenger foot well
Find round tube sticking up
Push plug into tube
Test drive

Not joking. That sound tube makes the weirdest noise and it is probably even more annoying with the bigger intake in the 17s.

Esseff 05-27-2017 05:01 AM

"MAJOR PROBLEM WITH MY NEW 2017 BRZ!!!! HELP!"

I've told u a MILLION times, not to exaggerate!

Tcoat 05-27-2017 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Esseff (Post 2917557)
"MAJOR PROBLEM WITH MY NEW 2017 BRZ!!!! HELP!"

I've told u a MILLION times, not to exaggerate!

AND STOP YELLING AT US.

nikitopo 05-27-2017 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917355)
I did, it looks like it is above the 2 dots and not in the middle but my question is, how does having too much oil make the engine/motor sound like its grinding? I'm just trying to learn so this mistake doesn't happen again.

The oil level should not be in the middle of the 2 dots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917378)
Well, I have very sensitive and fine tuned ears to hear the buzzing/grinding noise that doesn't sound normal to me, and I do see it as a problem because I have owned a 2013 Scion FRS and it never made that kind of buzzing/grinding noise PERIOD. I've put over 50,000 miles on her before moving onto this BRZ. I think I will take it to the dealership so they can check it out. Was just hoping someone on here can see what I'm talking about and help me out instead of criticizing how I drive : /

I don't think you had a FRS before that was driven 50k miles. You don't even know what is the normal oil level! If you want to get some help from here, what is the purpose of lying?

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiflyhigh (Post 2917435)
yeah, i think i'm going to end up taking it to the dealer, get an oil change again, if it don't fix the problem, i'm going to have to tell a tech to ride with me to see if I'm just tripping. Thanks though for your guys help, and hopefully I'm just going crazy.

Check it with your dealer, because we cannot hear anything weird in your video. And you don't need to change your oil again!!! Read the car's manual, listen your dealer and follow the suggested service intervals from the factory.

PandaSPUR 05-27-2017 10:31 AM

Grip the reverse lockout when you pass through those RPMs. Does the rattle disappear?

If it does, theres your problem, go buy the Perrin reverse lockout or any other lockout with an o-ring in it to dampen vibrations.

Gforce 05-27-2017 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomerang (Post 2917347)
Check your oil level as you may have too much

This is very good advice. Checking oil levels on these boxer engines is a frustrating exercise in guesswork even for mechanics.

Otherwise, I do not hear any untoward noises in the video.

And 6,000 rpm is too high for an engine with only 1,000 miles on it.

And changing the oil at only 1,000 miles was not a good idea.

These engines benefit from leaving the build oil in the crankcase for as long as Subaru says, which I believe is 5,000 miles before the first change.

extrashaky 05-27-2017 11:15 AM

I don't hear anything unusual in that video. My 2014 made all sorts of noises and rattles during the first few thousand miles. Most of them went away as the parts settled in.

Personally, I wouldn't even take it in for service. I would drive it a while longer to see if the noise got worse or went away on its own.

SuperTom 05-27-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 2917584)
The oil level should not be in the middle of the 2 dots.





What?????


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