2017 civic Si vs....
 

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we all know the twins are gona be more fun to drive,

what about stock for stock autocross / general performance?

the price range is really close too,

I quite like the new 10th gen body style.

It's tough to say... 190+ ft/lbs of low end torque sure sounds nice...

and that's before the aftermarket frees up the down pipe and tuners get a hold of it. But I'm still enjoying having a RWD car.

I hate that motor.

I hate that spoiler (both 2dr/4dr tho 2dr is worse) - it's like they saw the '17 BRZ design and copied it, then ruined it.

I hate the over styled body.

I've owned 15 Hondas, 8 Civics, used to be one of the biggest Honda brand advocates, ran several websites devoted to them - and I just can't get behind anything they're doing anymore. They've completely lost their soul.

I've become the bitter "ex" that shits on everything they do.

Already done. They make 240hp / 300lb ft of torque on the stock turbo with an e-blend.

And I don't even care. It's still a stupid under square Honda Fit motor with a pea shooter turbo strapped on that doesn't rev.

Ugly. And the civic interiors I always found to be cringeworthy. Plus FWD

What are your thoughts on the Type R? :scared0016: :popcorn:

I would be ok with it if it didn't look like every ricer boy's wet dream. I'm a self-admitted ricer, but I don't go that hard in the paint - and I have a hard time with anyone who does.

And the expected price is outlandish for a Civic.

I may be in the minority but I do like the Type R (from a styling perspective). I don't know what has gotten into me either. The more I see it, the more I like it. It hits my inner ricer right in the feels :sigh:

Ya but is a world where even a Prius looks like it wants to devour your children it is sort of the norm.


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Honda applied carbon fiber vinyl to the lips on the CT-R to make it look carbon fiber....

Come on man, that just makes me wanna :cry:

My first sporty car was a FG2 Civic Si and I loved that car. Just I/H/E + Flashpro transformed the car and it felt unreal to have an engine at 100k+ miles that could rev up to 8600rpm day in day out. The chassis was also the stiffest that I had ever driven.

Although they had to drop the revvy NA engines due to emissions and fuel economy standards, I bet the engine is still silky smooth and reliable. The interior should also be much better put together than the BRZ.

I keep seeing one parked next to my apt and IMHO the new Civic looks better in base trim than in SI trim. The less fake vents the better. It is also much sleeker and looks lower than the previous gen, so that's also a plus.

It has similar power/weight to our cars, but I would put my money on BRZ for both autoX and track performance (assuming same tire/wheel combo).

This is kind of a stupid point, but the new Civic Si engine bay also lacks the sex appeal of previous generations. K20:wub::wub:
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I owned an 06 FA1, 08 FG2 and 11 FA5. Them feels.

From a performance and driving purity point of view you'd have to be high to pick the Civic. And that's coming from someone that's owned a Honda product of some kind continuously for over 20 years.