He got promoted, good for him.

Read on past that post, you'll see my explanation or read my self quote (man that's weird) nicely placed here for you to see and save you the trouble.

You do know that Raven FR-S I've taken pics of is Jack's FR-S right? He also told me that, he gonna buy another one

Maybe the new VP can finally explain why the foglights and spoiler weren't offered as launch options here like everywhere else in the world...;)

...even the BRZ had had those small items available since US launch...

The plot thickens.

It would appear...

@Saber_TRD...

Doesn't know Jack

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25k price point for the manual man, that's their target point, and imo there's nothing I'd rather lose to have fog lights and spoiler, they even lose the trunk liner to meet the price target. good value engineering if you ask me.

I'm sure he does have one, it's a sound way to convince people to buy a vehicle. My question though, do you have a video of him driving it around a track? I mean really driving it and knowing what he's doing. Not daily driving it.

If I recall, in those threads people identified it as the 5axis prototype car. So technically it is "his car" as he is(was) running the show at Scion. So technically, before sold to a customer, they are "his cars". Marketing and PR 101, if you want to sell something, claim you use the product yourself. Toyoda-san takes it to the next level and shows people he uses the product.

you say it like everyone who buys this car better be a racer and take this car to the track. :iono:

No, but I expect the people who run the show to. They should be able to show me they know what they're doing so I have confidence in them and their product. Toyoda-san has shown he knows his stuff, Jack fumbles and puts up a front, like others have said, he's sleezy.

Toyoda-san is in Japan. The gt86 in Japan is a luxury sport car. Jack is in the US where majority pp buy automatic cars and shop for the bottom line. You're in a car forum, most of us appreciate the car way more than our co-workers and neighbors. If he constantly talks about racing the FRS I think he will lose more targeted buyers than if he just markets it as a spirited sport car for daily driving and let Ken Gushi demonstrates the racing aspect for the pp care enough to find out.

But all and all not sure why I get into this debate really, I just wanted to say Jack is a decent guy if you meet him.

You do realize that most companies are run by beancounters and shareholders who only care about the bottom line because they invested the money into the company right? Everyone who is appointed a role is in that role primarily because they excell at that role and not because they are passionate about the product (if they just so happens to be, then it just makes things that much better, Like Toyoda-San).

And Toyoda-San didnt take over the CEO position until after their cost cutting and cheapening and push for #1 automaker status took its toll on the company's reputation. not to mention the uninteded acceleration fiasco. Only now is Toyoda's influence making its way through the company. The Lexus GS (and pretty much Lexus as a whole itself too), The FT86, The LFA i think may have been started before...i dunno. Most likely everything that was already planned and is still as vanilla as can be has already been pre approved before Toyoda was made CEO (like the redesigned Camry)

Jack Hollis? He was appointed as the CEO (or whatever his role was) of Scion since it was introduced. So he was probably just like any other beancounter but was probably younger than the other candidates.

Just have to laugh at all the armchair executives in this thread. You all have no idea what goes into a job like VP of Scion. Do you guys have executive management experience at Fortune Global 10 companies like Toyota? It is a lot of responsibility and his head is on the line if he doesn't meet company targets.

He's done for Scion with a minimal advertising budget what other brands spend hundreds of millions on.

I'm sure you all could have hundreds of people reporting to you, company executives breathing down you neck for results everyday, and still take the time to memorize and recite every engineering detail to make the forums happy, while still having any semblance of a work life balance.

Cost.

Then why Jack put "custom" springs for his Raven FR-S? He could of just put all TRD and Five AD parts and call it good

I'm not gonna lie, he said that, that Raven FR-S is for "Show" car, but he did say, he wanted another FR-S for his personal car, so he can drive it around without any hassle for "Show"

So Porsche CEO, lotus CEO, BMW CEO, etc dont know anything about their products? Car business is that, a business. Akio is an amazing CEO and I can't think of another CEO that goes out to race on a track but, that doesn't mean other CEOs don't know what they are doing.

So no video. Got ya. I wouldn't be surprised, if you asked him, if he had no idea what those "custom" springs do or who made them.

I never claimed other CEOs don't know anything, they very well might, but I don't know. From what I've seen of Jack though, he clearly does not, unless it's printed in a brochure which is all I've been saying.

None of the other CEOs go out to race on the track. According to you that determineds if the CEO knows what he/she is talking about.

I said launch option, not standard equipment.

This debate is going nowhere lol

Or Subie claimed it on US side idk

I am sure it's coming.

How many thought he was out, as in, gay? That was my first thought. My second thought was, well that makes sense.

I know they're coming...I believe September, but they should have been available on June 1st with the other launch options...

I'm sure you don't know that for sure, but it proves they know what they're doing a heck of a lot better than reciting brochures.


:lol:

My congratulations to Mr. Hollis on his promotion.

It's ironic that his promotion means going from VP of a company to VP of a department. :bellyroll:

What prove they are better? I have been following automotive news for 20 years and if there were an auto company CEO racing around the track I would think it would be published somewhere, I have not seen it. Most CEO/VP don't take their product to car shows and Jay Leno's garage to promote it. He is doing a lot more than most VPs in other car companies.

Toyota is a lot bigger than scion. Not to mention scion is only in the USA.

I never met Jack but he always seem like the old dude at the club trying to be cool n shit. :bellyroll:

45? He's 45? He went gray prematurely! But anyway, it's a love/hate thing.

I read everything i needed to know from the internets.

So that makes me legit.....:bonk:

CRAP THIS MEANS HE IS GOING TO TRY TO SELL US THE

"FREAKIN' REALLY AWESOME SUPRA"

the FR-AS! jkjk

Good for Jack, I think he did a good job

not really, the entire Scion of North America team is between 20 to 30 people (I wouldn't believe this either if I didn't see it for myself) so it may be smaller than a Toyota department.

This is no surprise really. This is Toyota SOP. They typically rotate executives through different parts of the business every few years. Jack H. alluded to this when we were in Long Beach that he was "overdue" to be moved having been at Scion beyond the normal length of service in a single area.

Jack is definitely a marketing guy, but he is a car enthusiast as well. He's not a nuts-and-bolts, numbers guy, but he seems to enjoy his job and talking about cars.

Best of luck to him. Maybe he'll bring some of his enthusiasm to Toyota. The whole 1st86 program was Jack's idea, and he didn't really have full buy-in when he rolled with it (or so the story goes). You got to admit, they definitely got a huge marketing ROI on the small investment they've made in that program.

Every autoshow I've been to large or small always had a cool Scion booth. There are always nice freebies compared to other manufactures. I think they did a great job making Scion fun and interesting.

And we did!

I think any one who attended the First 86 Long Beach event had to be impressed with Jack and his rather limited resources. I can't remember when there was so much excitement about a new car that really delivered on its promise. I hope he is able to make Toyota a more exciting product as well. And yes, I am a Toyota shareholder.

yea, I was amazed to find out on the trip that there are less than 30 people dedicated to Scion Corporate (I believe it was 22, but don't hold me to that). Pretty amazing.

Actually, the FR-S/GT86 is meant to be the "entry level" sports car in a 3 car line-up: Lexus LFA at the top end, FR-S/GT-86 at the bottom, and the new Toyota Sports Car - likely a new Supra, to fill out the middle.

Toyota chose to market this as the "top-end" Scion in America, rather than the bottom-end Toyota, because that's where they figured they'd see the greatest gains, and where their youth/performance/custom segment is driven.

Jack Hollis was just re-badged as a Toyota!

Hah! I'm still laughing!

Somebody needs to photoshop Jack with JDM hair!

JDM Hair? To which style are you referring?