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-   Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Scion FR-S Concept First Official Pics/Videos + NYIAS Pics and Press Conference (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1163)

s2upid 04-21-2011 04:26 PM
BLACK LOOKS SEXY OH MAN

iff2mastamatt 04-21-2011 04:45 PM
I love the white! Great find!

NESW20 04-21-2011 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx (Post 36154)
The car looks decent, though the Scion styling and re badging are overkill. Honestly badging it as a Scion is a buzz kill for me. I own an MR2 Turbo, several have friend's Supra Turbos. I know people with Celica All-Tracs, and even AE86's. These are all great TOYOTA sports cars. I am a TOYOTA enthusiast, not a Scion enthusiasts. This car was suppose to represent the legendary Toyota sports cars of the past. None of those were Scions, and I know as an MR2 enthusiasts, if you tried to re-badge an MR2 as a Scion we'd all blow a fuse. IMO rebadging this car as a Scion is a slap in the face to Toyota's sports car heritage, a slap in the face to all those cars and the enthusiasts who follow them. It's saying "we don't care about you or history." I mean, you're going to honor past Toyota's by making a car which isn't called a Toyota? That's just stupid. As I said, try rebadging an SW20 MR2 or MKIV Supra as a Scion and see how owners take it. At least the rest of the world is getting a Toyota badged product, so it can be re-badge it as a Toyota. I guess to get a Toyota you'll have to go "EDM" or "JDM on it. I think I'll hold out for the Subaru, it's not a Toyota badge wise, but neither is a Scion. I'm a Toyota enthusiasts, but this isn't a Toyota in the states...it's a Scion. That just kills it for me. At least if Subaru releases a variant, there's a good chance it'll be turbocharged and AWD.
you haven't been paying much attention, have you?

Jordo! 04-21-2011 05:13 PM
Ugh.

The Scion rep was a tool and the generic heavy metal music was overdone.

Oh well. That's the "scion" brand for you.

Anyway, thanks for the vid and pics -- can't wait until this car is available :D

JohnnyR 04-21-2011 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 36282)
not necessarily true. they've got F22Cs making almost 300 hp n/a to the wheels with great torque curves. we're talkin crazy$$$ though and some expert head porting and ecu tuning.

edit: wow those photoshops are siiick. really diggin the gunmetal grey
You're talking about doing a stroker kit though, as that's where the 22c came from was Honda increasing stroke of the F20, and that's big money and smoked warranties heh. But yeah, I'm sure it can be done, and as usual with cars, how fast you want to go directly equates to the money in your pocket. :)

To obtain 300hp NA from a 145hp base motor (usable power range is really hard to predict, but torque is decent with a boxer), which I'm going to assume (perhaps hope is a better word heh) is going to be around 200hp stock, unless there is a LOT of power tied up in the ECU, it's going to be either all the bolt-ons and tunes you can get + spray, or probably a stroker + cams in which I would not look forward to installing cams on this lol. I'm spoiled by my old V-8s and older 4G63 in this regard with installs.

The photoshops are nice, I'm torn on color for this. IF they'd do the same red then I'd be all about it, and would pay a couple hundred bucks more for it as an option. If not, I'll probably go either White and get the roof and trunk done in black, or if the blue is gorgeous I'll consider that. I think it's time for them to make a new and improved Royal Sapphire Blue Pearl!

Franisco 04-21-2011 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 36322)
Ugh.

The Scion rep was a tool and the generic heavy metal music was overdone.

Oh well. That's the "scion" brand for you.

Anyway, thanks for the vid and pics -- can't wait until this car is available :D
+1

Dragonitti 04-21-2011 05:56 PM
300 N/A would mean cams, probably high comp pistons, full bolt-ons and be less streetable than a simple bolt-on turbo setup. I'll go with 300 on boost before I do all that just to get 300 N/A. Just be sure I don't add a boost controller, cause more HP is only a few clicks away rather than needing to install an entire N20 system.

Chewy 04-21-2011 06:15 PM
Very nice photoshop pics. I'm liking the blue and gold. Then again they all look good. I think I'll have to lean towards the white.

old greg 04-21-2011 06:19 PM
You won't be able to stroke any of the FB motors. They're already at their limits from the factory, heck they're past their limit (see the asymmetrical conrods). The hot ticket for more displacement is going to be a block swap from a FB25 and some oversized pistons. Crank, conrods, accessories etc. will all be interchangable, and the extra displacement ought to be good for 20-40 ftlbs everywhere depending on how well the heads flow.

S2000 folks spend craptons of money to get to 2.6 liters. We'll be at 2.5 for pocket change.

Failing that, bolt up an EJ257. The bellhousing pattern is the same, and I'll bet good money that the flywheel bolt pattern is the same as well. Get some exhaust/IC plumbing welded up and you're all set for 450 rwhp on stock internals.

dunnojack 04-21-2011 06:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reswM...layer_embedded

HEY SCION VP !!! if you're reading online forums............. as you said in your presentation...... lemme just say-

If you don't carry over the same wheelbase and overall FR-S exterior body to the production model, I will boycott this car. :thanks::mad0260:

Bumper modifications are allowed.



cyde01 04-21-2011 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyR (Post 36332)
You're talking about doing a stroker kit though, as that's where the 22c came from was Honda increasing stroke of the F20, and that's big money and smoked warranties heh. But yeah, I'm sure it can be done, and as usual with cars, how fast you want to go directly equates to the money in your pocket. :)
all bolt-ons, stroker kit, raised compression, expert head porting, cams, itbs, balanced and blue printed bottom end, VTC kit, expert ecu tuning if you want to use street gas and avoid knock. so yeah, BIG money and the warranty would be out the door a long time ago.

VenomRush 04-21-2011 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dunnojack (Post 36357)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reswM...layer_embedded

HEY SCION VP !!! if you're reading online forums............. as you said in your presentation...... lemme just say-

If you don't carry over the same wheelbase and overall FR-S exterior body to the production model, I will boycott this car. :thanks::mad0260:

Bumper modifications are allowed.


:sigh:

Crashoverride 04-21-2011 07:19 PM
Well me and Dragon are all over making this 300, looks like we will be the test mules in the mod market..Hum... now to just find a shop to do it, I know I can manderl bend custom striaght pipes at my house...( no emissions where I live..)

rdhslu9972 04-21-2011 07:41 PM
3 Concepts +1
 
Last week or two pictures were released of an all black concept at a photo shoot. It looked more like the old 2000GT but is different from the concepts released. What was that car meant to do. A second concept for Toyota. Just seems weird.


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