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Psoo2010 07-14-2012 01:55 AM

TRD Door Stabilizer Set
 
Took the opportunity of a sunny Sydney day to try out a set of TRD Door Stabilizer.

Box with part numbers
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2000.31.20.jpg

Love the way it opens in an origami way.
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2000.33.04.jpg


There are plenty of threads on the forum discussing how the stabilizer works and its merit, so I wont go into that.
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2000.34.28.jpg

This is the spring-loaded contact plate for the black bit to wedge into.
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2000.35.30.jpg


The installation is very straight forward, but like one of the other threads mentioned the screws holding the factory door latch must have been tighten by a robot, so make sure you have a socket wrench to loosen them.
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2002.04.38.jpg

Another tip is that there will be enough space for you to slip the spring loaded cover back over the bolts, so no need to worry about it when you tighten the bolts.

First impression after installation is that the doors now require a bit more effort to close, especially if you do not have the momentum of a fully opened door.

Someone mentioned that they hoped the door would close like Euro cars (with a thud) after installing the stabilizers- sorry, noop.

Pretty hard to gauge the effectiveness of the stabilizer on metro Sydney roads, so I'll reserve my final judgement until I have another run of Putty/ Bells line of Road. But according to my TMC contact these stabilizers have been on constant back order since launch, and my favourite saying is "if the restaurant is full, it cant be that bad."

On a side note I also noticed something about the TRD sports filters- it's the same as Corolla's and Rav4's. Caught me by surprise, and if any of you want a sports filter in a hurry there's no reason why a K&N filter for Corolla and Rav wouldnt work.
http://users.tpg.com.au/psoo2010/TRD...2002.16.08.jpg

Superhatch 07-14-2012 02:08 AM

Thanks for the update and the air filter info. I would have thought that our filters would have more surface area than a Corolla. Parts bin ftw?

Paragon 07-14-2012 09:21 AM

Looks awesome where were you able to get the door kit and do you mind posting or PMing me the price? Cheers

fuddbutter 07-16-2012 04:10 AM

Any details where you got the door kit from?

stevo_12v 08-06-2012 05:01 PM

I got my door set today. OMG.. it is ridiculously HARD to even make the original screws loosen(chassis side). :(

Xauterus 08-07-2012 12:55 AM

I think there is a big demand for these because it's the only affordable TRD part.

Nardi330 08-07-2012 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xauterus (Post 363590)
I think there is a big demand for these because it's the only affordable TRD part.

not really. the cheapest TRD part for 86 is the radiator cap (3,150 yen). ;)

however for those who have this fitted, does it really make any noticiable difference?

thanks

fuddbutter 08-07-2012 02:16 AM

^^ what he said! :)

m0nty 08-07-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuddbutter (Post 363704)
^^ what he said! :)

Placebo? Most people can't tell tyre pressure differences of 10psi so I'm doubting these make a big difference for the everyday 86 driver.

Toy86 08-07-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardi330 (Post 363617)
not really. the cheapest TRD part for 86 is the radiator cap (3,150 yen). ;)

however for those who have this fitted, does it really make any noticiable difference?

thanks

+1

Nardi330 08-07-2012 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m0nty (Post 363710)
Placebo? Most people can't tell tyre pressure differences of 10psi so I'm doubting these make a big difference for the everyday 86 driver.

so i guess it won't appear on your car then?!

m0nty 08-07-2012 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardi330 (Post 363719)
so i guess it won't appear on your car then?!

Not until I stop into the servo to correctly inflate my tyres. :p

If a set fall into my hands I'll test them at a track day, but they're not high on my list of things to purchase.

Nardi330 08-07-2012 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m0nty (Post 363725)
Not until I stop into the servo to correctly inflate my tyres. :p

If a set fall into my hands I'll test them at a track day, but they're not high on my list of things to purchase.

same here. i'd rather spend the money on sway bar end links or camber/caster adjustor for the moment.....

but i'm just curious if this actually works. if it does, it will be on my shipping list.

Xauterus 08-07-2012 08:36 AM

The cheapest easily seen Trd part that at least have some function dedicated to the 86?

Nardi330 08-07-2012 08:57 AM

But the TRD radiator cap is a higher pressure one which does a better job than stock. it's therefore functional. As opposed to the oil cap which doesn't improve anything other than look...

Xauterus 08-07-2012 09:48 AM

I guess.

I was looking at something that people could see and the car didnt actually already have. How much can a radiator cap do?

Nardi330 08-07-2012 06:18 PM

Well when you open the bonnet people can see the radiator cap just like people can see the door stabilizer when they open the door.

Also there is a door catch thing from stock and this TRD one replaced the factory one. Not exactly new lol

The radiator cap increases pressure by 0.2 bar I think and this increase pressure should reduce the chance of coolant reaching boiling point.

But I see your point!

DSOmegaX 09-23-2012 04:40 PM

For those that have installed this mod, did you guys have issues with door alignment after putting them on? And how can I adjust the position of the latch? My driver door now sits out more at the top rear portion of the door (not flush with the rear quarter panel). Also, the driver side door is noticeably harder to close (coupled with a clunking noise when closing, definitely making harder contact somewhere). No such issues with the passenger side.

SXE10 09-24-2012 01:30 AM

I've got about 10 of the door stabilizer kits available at the moment if people are interested.

Guillaume 10-18-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX (Post 455996)
For those that have installed this mod, did you guys have issues with door alignment after putting them on? And how can I adjust the position of the latch? My driver door now sits out more at the top rear portion of the door (not flush with the rear quarter panel). Also, the driver side door is noticeably harder to close (coupled with a clunking noise when closing, definitely making harder contact somewhere). No such issues with the passenger side.

Did you solve the problem? I am about to fit mine.

stevo_12v 10-18-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX (Post 455996)
For those that have installed this mod, did you guys have issues with door alignment after putting them on? And how can I adjust the position of the latch? My driver door now sits out more at the top rear portion of the door (not flush with the rear quarter panel). Also, the driver side door is noticeably harder to close (coupled with a clunking noise when closing, definitely making harder contact somewhere). No such issues with the passenger side.

No issues with alignment here. Make sure all the screws are installed all the way down, and that your using the TRD screws not the OEM ones.

Mr Franky 10-18-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo_12v (Post 504979)
No issues with alignment here. Make sure all the screws are installed all the way down, and that your using the TRD screws not the OEM ones.

Do the doors feel any different? When closing and opening?

Zangetsu 10-18-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Franky (Post 505750)
Do the doors feel any different? When closing and opening?

Mine feel the same, nice and smooth. I did have an asshole of a time getting them fitted though. Had to get help getting the OEM bolts out after I stripped one.

Props to Garage 88 for the assist.

ZZT86 10-18-2012 06:58 PM

I could tell the diff of 5psi let alone 10 - low profile tyres on shitty Melbourne roads !!!!

stevo_12v 10-19-2012 02:01 AM

Yeah there is a noticeable but satisfying and deeper toned thud. Think of a "S" classed Benz type of thud :P

davey90 10-19-2012 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo_12v (Post 507003)
Yeah there is a noticeable but satisfying and deeper toned thud. Think of a "S" classed Benz type of thud :P

Yup! i'm sold, stabilizers are going to be my next upgrade! :D

Mr Franky 10-19-2012 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davey90 (Post 507045)
Yup! i'm sold, stabilizers are going to be my next upgrade! :D

I'm with you davey. With my small amount of time with a demo car, I noticed the tinny sounding door. It definitely felt cheap, and I drive a Magna.

Nafe 10-19-2012 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Franky (Post 507076)
I'm with you davey. With my small amount of time with a demo car, I noticed the tinny sounding door. It definitely felt cheap, and I drive a Magna.

It is cheap, it's a $30k car!!!

Mr Franky 10-19-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nafe (Post 507267)
It is cheap, it's a $30k car!!!

Which is fair enough. But a Corolla sounds better.

Nardi330 10-19-2012 05:21 PM

Becos of the frameless doors!

Hanakuso 10-19-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX (Post 455996)
For those that have installed this mod, did you guys have issues with door alignment after putting them on? And how can I adjust the position of the latch? My driver door now sits out more at the top rear portion of the door (not flush with the rear quarter panel). Also, the driver side door is noticeably harder to close (coupled with a clunking noise when closing, definitely making harder contact somewhere). No such issues with the passenger side.

Use a rubber mallet and knock the latch in place. You have to loosen up the 2 screws first.

Mr Franky 10-19-2012 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardi330 (Post 508280)
Becos of the frameless doors!

Can't be the reason. I drive an 05 Magna (frameless doors) and it sounds nice. But I know I'm going to be happy when I finally get my car because the only thing I can complain about is the sound the doors make.

ZZT86 10-19-2012 10:53 PM

I reckon a lot depends on how much rubber seal is around the door. I maintain the seals on my Celica & it still sounds great. From memory tho the 86's door was lighter to use compared to the Celica and this will have a bearing too.

DSOmegaX 10-19-2012 11:02 PM

I got mine aligned. Turns out it was a latch but the actual panel itself. One of the screws holding the panel came loose.

Surok 10-20-2012 10:40 PM

Im sorry but i cant let this go on any longer..

the TRD door stabilisers are not to give the door a different clunk..

Picture an engine bay. it is a box, and it subjected to forces of twisting.. we know that putting a strut brace in there will stiffen it up so it does not flex as much, making the bodyshell stiffer and allowing the suspension to work more effectively.\

now picture a chassis (specifically the big hole where a door goes)
now, to make that area alot more rigid and less prone to flexing we can weld a bar that goes across the door opening and this will help alot.

since this is a road car and we dont want a rollcage with door bars, the next best thing is to make the door a sort of strut brace.. because the hinges are bolted they dont need attention, but the play in the latch is enough that the door will slightly move around on the body. this is going to be unavoidable without some sort of interference fit.

this is where the door stabilisers come in.. this effectively jams the door closed making it a much more solid structure than the unmodified door, and goes a bit further towards our idea of a strut brace for the door.

im sorry if it has been said before but there seems to still be people thinking that this is to give their doors a different clunk..

fuddbutter 10-21-2012 12:09 AM

On the topic of the sound of the door clunk, it actually comes mainly from latching mech inside the door, the types of rubber and how much, also what it is attached to.
Plus then the amount of vibration deadener on the panels themselves.

Nafe 10-22-2012 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Franky (Post 508259)
Which is fair enough. But a Corolla sounds better.

IMO, if you're concerned about the noise the door makes when closing, you *may* be missing the point of an affordable, light weight, low frills sports car?

Mr Franky 10-22-2012 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nafe (Post 514150)
IMO, if you're concerned about the noise the door makes when closing, you *may* be missing the point of an affordable, light weight, low frills sports car?

Refer to my last post. And besides, the way objects sound give it more life and feeling. Out of that you get more confidence and respect for the object, it's all based around emotion.

When Microsoft revealed its new Surface tablet, one of the presenters talked endlessly about the sound the stand makes when you shut it and open it. Describing the emotion people get from such a simple thing.

That's why this car exists, it's the way it makes you feel when you drive it, satisfied.

Nafe 10-22-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Franky (Post 514232)
Refer to my last post. And besides, the way objects sound give it more life and feeling. Out of that you get more confidence and respect for the object, it's all based around emotion.

When Microsoft revealed its new Surface tablet, one of the presenters talked endlessly about the sound the stand makes when you shut it and open it. Describing the emotion people get from such a simple thing.

That's why this car exists, it's the way it makes you feel when you drive it, satisfied.

I have shitload of confidience, satisfaction and respect in/from/for my 86 and not one little bit of it is because of the noise the door makes, it's because of the way it DRIVES, which is why it was built... Drivers car ;)

Mr Franky 10-23-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nafe (Post 514243)
I have shitload of confidience, satisfaction and respect in/from/for my 86 and not one little bit of it is because of the noise the door makes, it's because of the way it DRIVES, which is why it was built... Drivers car ;)

:bow: Amen to that.


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