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Shiv@Openflash 01-19-2017 05:41 PM

Everyday Driver tests OFT
 
Everyday Driver just published a nice video review of their long term FRS. The documented the improvements (dyno and road) provided by the OpenFlash Tablet and FT86 Speedfactory catted header and exhaust.

It's worth watching :)

https://youtu.be/2bhnMYvn5S4

Overdrive 01-19-2017 05:46 PM

I've been off the ball for a while with these guys. I listened to their stuff and watch their videos all the time, just been super busy lately. Good excuse to get caught up right here.

Lantana frs 01-19-2017 06:40 PM

Thank God someone with a brain makes videos. Great find.

jaorocks1 01-19-2017 06:57 PM

Isnt there a warm up period for the tune to really kick in?

perryair 01-19-2017 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash (Post 2835215)

It's worth watching :)

https://youtu.be/2bhnMYvn5S4

id second that. i drove stock for 6 months, then oft stage 1 for a year and very recently jdl uel + oft stage 2 and seeing the incremental change as i went from step to step has has really been an eye opener. sure, it still doesn't push your eyeballs back in your head or anything but exhaust + oft really gives the car useable power in every portion of the powerband, your redline powershift breaks the tires loose instead of chirps them and the increase in sub 5000rpm power is extremely significant.

the bang for the buck is totally and completely there. less than $1500 and you can get a quality header installed plus an oft and its worth every penny.

(now, im sure that i would absolutely love a supercharger but honestly i can't see myself sinking over 5 grand into it - i dont have that kind of bank account set aside for fun time like some other folks have, more power to them.)

Lantana frs 01-19-2017 08:46 PM

That supercharger had a conservative tune

Teseo 01-19-2017 09:04 PM

And the guys have a catted header. Wonder how much they can squeze with catless and stage 2 with 93 oct

churchx 01-19-2017 09:19 PM

Catted one still helped to get rid of torque dip. And even with lesser gains with added tune on top it seemed reasonable upgrade for at least one. SC spoiled other. :)
BTW, in side-by-side parked episodes there seemed to be some suspension changes for SC one too. It definitely was lowered.

weederr33 01-19-2017 11:13 PM

I saw the notification for this video earlier but I was at work. I enjoy these guys quite a bit.

Overdrive 01-19-2017 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs (Post 2835249)
Thank God someone with a brain makes videos. Great find.

This channel is definitely worth a subscribe click, and their podcast is great to listen to. They really do great work, and it's not all about making good film. As their name says, they're about finding something fun for the everyday driver.

Bobster 01-20-2017 12:33 AM

I wish they actually drove a better SC setup or a turbo setup would of changed their minds.
Stock headers nerf the SC

Varelco 01-20-2017 09:44 AM

Really enjoyed that video. Two very different opinions

Calum 01-20-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs (Post 2835340)
That supercharger had a conservative tune



Everything has a conservative tune, until it blows up. Then it's was too aggressive.

Overdrive 01-20-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Varelco (Post 2835630)
Really enjoyed that video. Two very different opinions

That's the great thing about their work. These guys have very different tastes, and only so often do they end up on the same page. It allows them to provide differing opinions on the same vehicle(s) backed up with fact/data/emotion in the same way that we have differing opinions all over this thread and the whole forum.

ottoyu34 01-20-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs (Post 2835340)
That supercharger had a conservative tune

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 2835634)
Everything has a conservative tune, until it blows up. Then it's was too aggressive.

They only mentioned briefly the SC car still has full stock exhaust system.

and they are also couple thousand ft above sea level.

Overdrive 01-20-2017 12:52 PM

Anyone maybe consider that the SC owner isn't shooting for the moon on power, and just wants more than stock without reaching the point of overpowering the chassis? It has enough grunt to keep you happy, but the car is still balanced and fun to drive in everything but a straight line, even on the stock wheels and tires. That's the car's purpose, not to have 500hp and win drag races.

BWilky 01-20-2017 12:56 PM

I agree with Overdrive, the point of the video was to show the dollars vs HP/TQ gains and when it's worth it or not, in my opinion.
I like that Todd's car was lightly mod'd and could feel the results as well as see the gains.
But as Engineering Explained video shows in the past the most beneficial mod is tires first, Driver improvement and FD.

Overdrive 01-20-2017 01:04 PM

Engineering Explained does some great stuff, truly, but the guy's voice grates on my nerves so bad. It's an exercise for me getting through one of his videos.

Sevs753 01-21-2017 12:26 PM

IIRC, the power that the SC guy is making is about right for the jackson racing SC carb tune after you factor in drivetrain loss and variance between dyno readings.

Overdrive 01-21-2017 12:48 PM

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. I think it's a great power bump without being excessive. I just don't know if the cost is justifiable to me. It may very well be to someone else, and clearly is to at least one guy named Igor with a white FR-S somewhere on the west coast, lol.

I'm a sucker for superchargers (er, no pun intended, honest) but I'd personally want to stick with NA mods on this car similar to how the Everyday guys have.

Qadthane 01-22-2017 10:58 PM

@shiv Can you tell us more about the tune? Was it an e-tune you did for them? One of your off the shelf tunes? Inquiring minds... :)

Teseo 01-22-2017 11:45 PM

Was custom e-tune. Look at the tablet and it says "Todd's"

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2017 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2837100)
Was custom e-tune. Look at the tablet and it says "Todd's"

It wasn't a custom tune. I built a tune file for his car based upon a similarly modified local car (with the same FT86 Speedfactory catted header) I tuned a few weeks before. In our next OTS map release (v3.0), this particular tune file will be named Stage 2. Whereas tune files for our OpenFlash cat-less header will be named Stage 2+. There will no longer be a designated UEL and EL tune files. I was happy to see Todd realize similar gains on his car at 8000' above sea level, hundreds of miles away. To Todd's credit, I suggested the idea of flying out to tune the car personally but he thought it would be better to not get any special treatment and to see what an OTS tune would provide since that is what 99% of our customers use :)

Teseo 01-23-2017 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash (Post 2837161)
It wasn't a custom tune. I built a tune file for his car based upon a similarly modified local car (with the same FT86 Speedfactory catted header) I tuned a few weeks before. In our next OTS map release (v3.0), this particular tune file will be named Stage 2. Whereas tune files for our OpenFlash cat-less header will be named Stage 2+. There will no longer be a designated UEL and EL tune files. I was happy to see Todd realize similar gains on his car at 8000' above sea level, hundreds of miles away. To Todd's credit, I suggested the idea of flying out to tune the car personally but he thought it would be better to not get any special treatment and to see what an OTS tune would provide since that is what 99% of our customers use :)

What a spoiler! Now the question is, when the v3 will be launched?

bfrank1972 01-23-2017 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash (Post 2837161)
It wasn't a custom tune. I built a tune file for his car based upon a similarly modified local car (with the same FT86 Speedfactory catted header) I tuned a few weeks before. In our next OTS map release (v3.0), this particular tune file will be named Stage 2. Whereas tune files for our OpenFlash cat-less header will be named Stage 2+. There will no longer be a designated UEL and EL tune files. I was happy to see Todd realize similar gains on his car at 8000' above sea level, hundreds of miles away. To Todd's credit, I suggested the idea of flying out to tune the car personally but he thought it would be better to not get any special treatment and to see what an OTS tune would provide since that is what 99% of our customers use :)

Interesting - so from what I remember, the EL and UEL stage 2 tunes used to be fairly difference (i.e. big overlap in mid range for the EL tune that the UEL didn't have). If I read that right - now there's one tune for both EL and UEL catted, and one tune for both EL and UEL un-catted? Is it just optimized for the UEL and EL guys should get a custom tune, or did you figure out some magic way to optimize for both designs? :) thanks!

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2017 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bfrank1972 (Post 2837237)
Interesting - so from what I remember, the EL and UEL stage 2 tunes used to be fairly difference (i.e. big overlap in mid range for the EL tune that the UEL didn't have). If I read that right - now there's one tune for both EL and UEL catted, and one tune for both EL and UEL un-catted? Is it just optimized for the UEL and EL guys should get a custom tune, or did you figure out some magic way to optimize for both designs? :) thanks!

The reality is that all headers of different design will require unique VVT mapping to optimized engine torque. The difference between two visibly different UEL headers will be just as significant as the difference between any UEL and EL header. So I've found that have a generic tune for EL and UEL does no one any favors unless they use the same exact headers we did during OTS map development. There are also many other improvements to the tune other than VVT mapping so I except both UEL and EL header uses to be pleasantly surprised with the changes. We will also be releasing tunes for 91 and 93oct as before.

jvincent 01-23-2017 02:17 PM

Cool. Will there still be an OFH specific tune?

Teseo 01-23-2017 02:23 PM

Hope more for petrol users...

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2017 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvincent (Post 2837388)
Cool. Will there still be an OFH specific tune?

The Stage 2+ tune was developed for an OFH equipped car specifically :)

jvincent 01-23-2017 03:43 PM

Ah, missed that point in your original post. C- on reading comprehension for me.

Lilswitche 01-23-2017 05:03 PM

What does this mean for those wanting to get a UEL header that designed similarly OFH?

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2017 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilswitche (Post 2837514)
What does this mean for those wanting to get a UEL header that designed similarly OFH?

If it's cat-less, you will use the Stage 2+ tune. All this will be explained in the read me file that I will include in the OTS map download folder :)

Lilswitche 01-23-2017 06:47 PM

Christ on a bike I can't type for crap. I meant to say different than OFH. *facepalm*


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