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andy86 12-28-2016 11:29 AM

CEL P0121 and P0221 (OFT tune + EL Catless Header)
 
Recently swap back to stock exhaust. My BRZ has OFT and EL Catless header. No CEL before swap back to stock exhaust. However, I don't feel any problem or hesitation of acceleration while driving. I am going to delete the error code using OFT and see if the codes comes back.

Do you guys have similar situation before? Many Thanks.


I search CEL codes. It is related to Throttle Position Sensor.
Throttle Pedal Position Sensor/Switch (TPS) A Circuit Range Performance Problem


According to some general error code guideline.
Symptoms of a P0121 trouble code could include:
  • Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) illumination (Check Engine Light or Service Engine Soon light)
  • Intermittent stumble on acceleration or deceleration
  • Blows black smoke on acceleration
  • No start
Common Problems That Trigger the P0221 Code

  • Defective Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor or Switch
  • Dirty or carbon-filled Throttle Bore
  • Torn or jammed floor mats
  • Faulty or corroded Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch wiring or connections

shellslinger 12-28-2016 03:21 PM

Hopefully someone can chime in real soon!

steve99 12-28-2016 05:49 PM

https://www.autocodes.com/p0221.html


http://www.autocodes.com/p0121_subaru.html

Both codes relate to the throttle position sensor, check plugs at throttle body.

You somtimes get random codes after a ecu flash. If it occurred directly after flash that likely the case.

extremly unlikely it tune related

when you start car directly after reflash let it idle for at least a minute and dont touch throttle during that period, ecu is calibrating all sorts of things during that period.




Clear the codes if they dont return , happy days, if they do they you likly have a problem with the throttle sensors or wiring connectots or throttle body.

andy86 12-28-2016 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2821919)
https://www.autocodes.com/p0221.html


http://www.autocodes.com/p0121_subaru.html

Both codes relate to the throttle position sensor, check plugs at throttle body.

You somtimes get random codes after a ecu flash. If it occurred directly after flash that likely the case.

extremly unlikely it tune related




Clear the codes if they dont return , happy days, if they do they you likly have a problem with the throttle sensors or wiring connectots or throttle body.

Thanks Steve. I will see if it is coming back. Happy New Year.

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steve99 12-28-2016 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy86 (Post 2821921)
Thanks Steve. I will see if it is coming back. Happy New Year.

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i think i remember somone with similar codes, he had some crud stuck in the throttle plate stopping it closing\opening fully , bit if air filter or something, think a mouse or rat chewed through air filter getting at seeds stuck in filter. weird stuff happens

check the throttle plate in throttle body if it comes back

andy86 12-29-2016 11:20 AM

Checking throttle body and plate is great idea.

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andy86 02-28-2017 11:33 AM

Want to update this issue. The CEL P0121 was happened on 12/27/2016. Yesterday, it happened again. So, it is 2 months and about after I deleted the CEL using OFT. In this two months, I drove at least 2500 miles. Currently, the car only have about 6800 miles.


With or without the CEL on, the car still feel strong. I can still accelerate to redline without any issue.


So, I delete the code again and see how long it comes back. I didn't have chance to open up the throttle body since it didn't comes back for so long.


Subaru has 5 years warranty related to engine issue. So, may be I just wait until it show more often and bring it back to fix it. (it is a hassle since my BRZ has after market header and light weight pulley)


Anyway, I will keep you guys post.

Tcoat 02-28-2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy86 (Post 2862188)
Want to update this issue. The CEL P0121 was happened on 12/27/2016. Yesterday, it happened again. So, it is 2 months and about after I deleted the CEL using OFT. In this two months, I drove at least 2500 miles. Currently, the car only have about 6800 miles.


With or without the CEL on, the car still feel strong. I can still accelerate to redline without any issue.


So, I delete the code again and see how long it comes back. I didn't have chance to open up the throttle body since it didn't comes back for so long.


Subaru has 5 years warranty related to engine issue. So, may be I just wait until it show more often and bring it back to fix it. (it is a hassle since my BRZ has after market header and light weight pulley)


Anyway, I will keep you guys post.


So you have a tune, header and pulley but this is a warranty problem?

andy86 02-28-2017 12:15 PM

I think that Dealer usually blame on your mod when they have engine issue. With OFT and header, I am sure they will void my warranty if I am taking it back to dealer. I guess, if my car have more obvious issues like unstable idle speed, black smog and acceleration problem, I probably will put all engine relate mod back to OEM and bring it to dealer for CEL.

andy86 03-06-2017 11:58 AM

Want to update about the issue. According to Shiv of OFT, it should be related to Throttle Pedal Position Sensor and not related to OFT mod. I made a decision to buy a replacement of the Pedal Position Sensor - part number 36010CA070. Although, my car is still under warranty, I wouldn't want to bring the car back to dealer for many reasons. I found used one on Ebay selling it at around $40.


It cost about $110 new.
http://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__BR...6010CA070.html


It was a very easy installation. 2 screws and unplug a connection.


Test drive the car after installation, it seems the car accelerate a bit more smooth. Let's see how it go after few thousand miles.


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