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dClutch 04-07-2011 04:27 AM
So i havent seen many people mention this...
 
i just registered but have been following the forum for quite some time now. NOW before i get any hate id like to point out i originally was one of the people that thought the car needed 300+ hp, NOW ive realized toyota's intentions with the ft and am super excited for a ~220 hp 2700 lb car.

the other day i remembered the s2000. On another thread (cant recall which) someone had mentioned that the boxer 4's wouldnt really be able to hit >200hp
(assuming ~2000cc). the s2k runs a 2.2 inline 4 with about 230 bhp?

My point: what would keep a boxer from performing like the vtec? i mean hey, if we can get more power (not that 200bhp isnt enough) id gladly take it :thanks:

dClutch

Kage 04-07-2011 04:35 AM
i dont care if its 200hp or 300 hp...i just want decent torque figures

Infernal 04-07-2011 04:55 AM
subaru has avls, its not as good as vtec though i dont think

ollin 04-07-2011 04:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dClutch (Post 32870)
i just registered but have been following the forum for quite some time now. NOW before i get any hate id like to point out i originally was one of the people that thought the car needed 300+ hp, NOW ive realized toyota's intentions with the ft and am super excited for a ~220 hp 2700 lb car.

the other day i remembered the s2000. On another thread (cant recall which) someone had mentioned that the boxer 4's wouldnt really be able to hit >200hp
(assuming ~2000cc). the s2k runs a 2.2 inline 4 with about 230 bhp?

My point: what would keep a boxer from performing like the vtec? i mean hey, if we can get more power (not that 200bhp isnt enough) id gladly take it :thanks:

dClutch
I'm sorry i've also been lurking here for a while and i need to clear up a few of your facts.
1. S2K's F20 and F22 is rated 240-250bhp
2. The work that went into getting that HP out of it makes aftermarket support cost an arm and a leg($1000 exhaust). And the baseline price insanely high.
3. vtec is not a motor(Civic boy?). Nearly every car maker has some sort of vale timing technology. And they are discussing valve tech in another thread.

SOB 04-07-2011 06:30 AM
I'd much prefer a forced induction motor then some NA high revving one. Take a look at the Honda S2000 for an example. 4cyl, lightweight, high revving, NA, 18/24mpg! That's awful for a 4 cyl! My 03 Cobra with a supercharged V8 making 450hp to the wheels gets that mileage! The best route they could go would be to put in a motor similar to the Cobalt SS's LNF turbo engine.

ollin 04-07-2011 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOB (Post 32897)
I'd much prefer a forced induction motor then some NA high revving one. Take a look at the Honda S2000 for an example. 4cyl, lightweight, high revving, NA, 18/24mpg! That's awful for a 4 cyl! My 03 Cobra with a supercharged V8 making 450hp to the wheels gets that mileage! The best route they could go would be to put in a motor similar to the Cobalt SS's LNF turbo engine.
True but my roommate gets a little better then that but he almost never 4500 rpm. And my Z gets about 19-20 depending on how sunny it is (i hate driving in the rain)

ichitaka05 04-07-2011 11:40 AM
Cobalt SS? Ha! It's like Neon SRT4, there's no space to do anything. One thing break, can't fix it cuz you gotta remove the damn engine to get to it

tranzformer 04-07-2011 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 32908)
One thing break, can't fix it cuz you gotta remove the damn engine to get to it
Was it really that bad or are you over exaggerating?

ichitaka05 04-07-2011 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 32909)
Was it really that bad or are you over exaggerating?
I had to fix my friend's GF's Neon SRT4 (serpentine belt broke), I thought I was going to kill myself. They freaking hide that damn serpentine belt, I had to take out so much crap out of it to replace it.

Same goes w Cobalt SS. One guy I know (kinda) had Cobalt SS w SC kit (new have TC) and SC is taking up 2/3 of engine bay that can't see anything under that or near that SC!

I just google a pic of Cobalt SS engine bay so you can see what I'm talking bout
http://image.motortrend.com/f/854335...ngine_View.jpg

& this is 90% exactly how it looked like on that guy (except this pic is way cleaner).

Now, am I sound like over exaggeratin... I'll let you be the judge

Zaku 04-07-2011 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 32909)
Was it really that bad or are you over exaggerating?
I think It was that bad. Remember a friend got so sick of his SRT because of something similar mention. He went and bought a Civic Si instead.

tranzformer 04-07-2011 12:10 PM
Never knew that about the SRT4. Never been a fan of US cars. Hopefully the FT is not like that.

Exage 04-07-2011 12:35 PM
My post on the other thread

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...page=5&p=32764

Post on engine tech thread

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...page=6&p=32841

Critical parts of the engine must be re-designed for high-rpm bhp applications. The FB20 and FB25 engines wouldn't be able to withstand the high rpm wear. The FB25 would reach 200bhp with minor upgrades like the D-4S injection however it would not rev out like you would expect. I think they are sticking with a 2.0L engine for the launch in all markets so I'm expecting a slightly redesigned naturally aspirated FB based engine for this car.

dClutch 04-07-2011 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ollin (Post 32883)
I'm sorry i've also been lurking here for a while and i need to clear up a few of your facts.
1. S2K's F20 and F22 is rated 240-250bhp
2. The work that went into getting that HP out of it makes aftermarket support cost an arm and a leg($1000 exhaust). And the baseline price insanely high.
3. vtec is not a motor(Civic boy?). Nearly every car maker has some sort of vale timing technology. And they are discussing valve tech in another thread.
My mistake thanks for correcting my facts. It was just off the top of my head. And no lol I'm not a civic boy I just made a common reference to Honda engines. VVT-i (VALVE TIMEING NOT ENGINE) FTW :bonk:

So yeah the engine wouldnt be cluttered like that. Didn't Toyota say it would be a mid engined car?

DrunkenMime 04-07-2011 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOB (Post 32897)
I'd much prefer a forced induction motor then some NA high revving one. Take a look at the Honda S2000 for an example. 4cyl, lightweight, high revving, NA, 18/24mpg! That's awful for a 4 cyl! My 03 Cobra with a supercharged V8 making 450hp to the wheels gets that mileage! The best route they could go would be to put in a motor similar to the Cobalt SS's LNF turbo engine.
I call BS on the idea that an 03 COBRA gets 24mpg!! lmfao!! I have a 2007 Toyota Sequoia and it averages 13.9mpg hwy and city....no way in hell a supercharged 450hp muscle car beats that by 10mpg...


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