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Symbiont 07-09-2012 03:54 PM

Injen Technology Intake and Exhaust (with dyno and pics)
 
Here is the finished intake, available in Polished and 'Wrinkle Black'.

http://i.imgur.com/EdJca.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/5fS1q.jpg?1

Here is the dyno data from the intake, with 3rd and 4th gear pulls:

http://i.imgur.com/uRobx.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/Ak8og.jpg?1

The exhaust isn't quite ready; they need to spend a couple more days working on the fitment and such.

Symbiont 07-09-2012 03:54 PM

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EDIT: Moved from first to second post to put dyno and product pictures first.

So, my beautiful Delilah is down at Injen Technology again all week. The intake should be finalized this week, which means that units could start rolling out to distributors by the end of the month. Don’t quote me on this, but that sounds like a reasonable expectation.

The FR-S and BRZ are extremely efficient even at high intake temperatures, which is both really cool for us and really awkward for manufacturers, as the typical ‘colder and denser is better’ doesn’t necessarily show the gains, un-tuned, that you would expect of the car. I am not an automotive engineer, so I understood probably half of the discussion, but I know what I can hear and feel from the unit so far, and they definitely got something right. Response is smoother across the board, and once you pass about 2/5ths throttle, the intake noise is throaty and muscular. I LOVE cracking open the throttle now.

The intake doesn’t have a port for the sound tube, so a delete will be necessary. They did a ‘half delete’ on mine, keeping the tube to the compartment, but removing the port from the intake. I’ll show some pictures of that a bit later, when I get the car back.

The main reason my BRZ is there, though, is so they can finish the exhaust system. The catback is ~70% done, and is GORGEOUS. The merge collector and dual muffler setup ends in 4” polished slightly slant-cut resonated tips, and there is no drone at all. The tips perfectly fill out the cutouts for them in the car, and I’m really wondering how it would look with the OEM rear diffuser. Hmmm…

From the back, the exhaust looks menacing and clean. Injen is still deciding what to do for the downpipe and midpipe area; costs and gains need to be calculated. I really hope to have dyno graphs, pictures, and a couple videos by the end of the week. I am also hoping to have a duplicate prototype exhaust installed so I can do some real world road testing and show it off around town. :)

Rather than recount the whole company history for those not familiar with them, here's their 'about me' page:
http://www.injen.com/docs/injen/cont...tinjen_landing

The part I loved was this:
Quote:

Bringing together all phases of manufacturing under one roof proved to be the equation for unrivaled success.
Almost everything is done right in that building, minus a couple small heat shield fabrication pieces (and they are working on moving that in house, too, I think).

I arrived at their facility this morning before anyone showed up (traffic was light on the 57N), and snapped a few external shots:
http://i.imgur.com/kh4jp.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/7S2yO.jpg?1

Anyone who has been there knows that the area is covered with feral cats, most of whom were absolutely fearless and adorable. Sorry, I love cats.:
http://i.imgur.com/MS2qI.jpg?1

My BRZ ready for testing!:
http://i.imgur.com/vpYeY.jpg?1

I passed 3000 miles on the way up there (don’t worry, my passenger took the shot):
http://i.imgur.com/cATvx.jpg?1

While I was waiting for my ride to pick me up, Adrian asked if I'd like a brief tour of their facility, and I was extremely impressed. 100% of R&D and production is handled right here in Pomona, and all the materials were sourced from the US, as well. These guys love the company and love what they do. Everyone was all smiles there, and a lot of the guys working on the metal came up to shake my hand and welcome me. Seriously impressed.

First, the tubing is delivered and stacked outside their workshop. They go through their stock extremely fast, as orders are constantly pouring in:
http://i.imgur.com/2LaS8.jpg?1

After the metal is mandrel bent (their machines handle up to 3.5”), they cut it all to specification here:
http://i.imgur.com/sIdvo.jpg?1

Then it goes off to these guys. These gentlemen do all the welding. Pretty much all their welds are actually double-sided, which increases the strength of the weld.
http://i.imgur.com/qRAz9.jpg?1

Here they are polishing some of the first welds. Each piece goes through numerous polishing processes (sometimes up to 4 or 5 different stages per piece):
http://i.imgur.com/oX6gR.jpg?1

All the MAF sensor mounting blocks are cut outside and prepped right on site:
http://i.imgur.com/IiglA.jpg?1

Their turnaround time is awesome. They can have an intake or exhaust made from scratch in under an hour, depending.

Once the pieces are completed, they either go to Shipping and Receiving to go out to distributors, or go into their ‘light stock’ area. I think the black (rather than polished) are more popular, so I think they try to keep more of those on hand:
http://i.imgur.com/DjkzF.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/PhvTi.jpg?1

Here is one of the rough prototype intakes, ready for further testing! I smudged out the numbering in the pic because, honestly, I was concerned about posting too much proprietary info. The guys at Injen were all incredibly nice, as well as genuinely cool people, and I don’t want to do anything that may cause them any grief:
http://i.imgur.com/A9WX5.jpg

This is their exhaust dyno location. They are currently building a new work area for all of their intakes, with a separate dyno, but this is where the magic happens, now:
http://i.imgur.com/2bb6r.jpg?1

Some beautiful metal work outsourced to Injen from an (unnamed) vendor:
http://i.imgur.com/rY0IG.jpg?1

More workshop photos:
http://i.imgur.com/raVkL.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/i26OS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/CmPZn.jpg?1

I really hope to have more pictures of the installed exhaust, as well as videos and dyno results this week. I can't promise anything because, frankly, these guys are insanely busy and I'm not going to wander around under foot. I wish I could spend more time there, but I'm just the guy who's letting them use his car, and becoming a huge fan-boi in the meantime. :clap:

Calidrifter 07-09-2012 04:10 PM

Could you ask if the intake will be tested by CARB? I know that they used to send their intakes for testing but I'm not 100% on it anymore.

7thgear 07-09-2012 04:17 PM

WOULD IT KILL YOU TO RESIZE PICS?? THANKSSSSSSSSSSSS

BioRage 07-09-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 304567)
WOULD IT KILL YOU TO RESIZE PICS?? THANKSSSSSSSSSSSS

Not his fault.

The forum software should re-size automatically, better yet there should be a plugin that should be added. :iono:

Looks good! You're at 3k miles already!

Symbiont 07-09-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calidrifter (Post 304560)
Could you ask if the intake will be tested by CARB? I know that they used to send their intakes for testing but I'm not 100% on it anymore.

The intake will be CARB legal, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioRage (Post 304588)
Not his fault.

The forum software should re-size automatically, better yet there should be a plugin that should be added. :iono:

Looks good! You're at 3k miles already!

I actually did resize the pics, sorry... They were originally 5 times larger. I dropped them to 1280x960, which should fit any modern widescreen monitor, including laptops.

Mobile phones and such may be out of luck, though. :P

Yeah, I've had the car since 5/26, and already put over 3000 miles of almost exclusively street driving miles on it. Mostly up and down PCH and around Santiago Canyon. :)

Homeslice 07-09-2012 06:03 PM

Injen is an incredible brand. I have had intakes for my old ford focus, mercury cougar, and now my eclipse. They make a 3" exhuast for the eclispe that I am planning on getting, and it is the highest rated exhaust on the market for it. glad to see they are working on this platform, as I love Injen and hope everyone goes with their products

Chupacabra 07-10-2012 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 304567)
WOULD IT KILL YOU TO RESIZE PICS?? THANKSSSSSSSSSSSS


You could use this, it would help all of us:

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/15/shouting-vase.jpg

Symbiont 07-10-2012 05:40 PM

R&D at Injen is curious as to whether people would prefer a silver or black heat shield cover. The heat shield itself will be black, and the tubing will be available in either black or polished.

Added poll to thread to help track, but feel free to add comments or questions and I'll pass them along.

Cheddar 07-10-2012 05:44 PM

How come intake developers are placing the MAF sensor so close to the TB?

Symbiont 07-10-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 306953)
How come intake developers are placing the MAF sensor so close to the TB?

No clue, but I can ask.

Symbiont 07-10-2012 05:47 PM

Here is an example of what the silver would look like (on a different car). I should (hopefully) have pics of black tomorrow.

http://i.imgur.com/JDjp4.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/SVAri.jpg?1

Symbiont 07-10-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 306953)
How come intake developers are placing the MAF sensor so close to the TB?

Here's the response I got:

Quote:

You can position it anywhere you want, as long as it is nice and straight. During testing we tried all different positions, and noticed the most consistency when placed straight on the Throttle body.

Symbiont 07-10-2012 06:32 PM

Looks like more people are preferring black, at this point. Cleaner engine bay > more flash, maybe? :)

NYC BRZ 07-10-2012 08:42 PM

I installed an Injen intake on my uncles 2012 V6 Camaro and I was extremely impressed with the very high quality craftsmanship. It was the first Injen product I've ever worked with so it was a really good first impression. The black coating is nice. That's what I would do for my BRZ.

BRAWL 07-10-2012 09:36 PM

Would definitely consider having one of these intakes shipped to Australia for my little beastie :)

JiB 07-10-2012 11:10 PM

agreed^

civicdrivr 07-11-2012 03:13 AM

Seems like black is the clear winner, which is good since thats what I voted for :D

Symbiont 07-11-2012 02:54 PM

I'm definitely not surprised that black won out, based upon comments in other threads, but I was a bit surprised by the overwhelming majority it garnered.

Looking forward to posting some pics of the install this week.

MindtheGap 07-11-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Symbiont (Post 304521)
From the back, the exhaust looks menacing and clean. Injen is still deciding what to do for the downpipe and midpipe area; costs and gains need to be calculated. I really hope to have dyno graphs, pictures, and a couple videos by the end of the week.

Yea I would really like to see some dynos and videos. The marketplace is certainly becoming more crowded and glad to see Injen on board. Good luck and cant wait to see more :popcorn:

Symbiont 07-11-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MindtheGap (Post 309584)
Yea I would really like to see some dynos and videos. The marketplace is certainly becoming more crowded and glad to see Injen on board. Good luck and cant wait to see more :popcorn:

Edited the second post with some dyno info on their prototype intake.

The pulls were done in approximately 100 degree heat, so it's probably not ideal.

Symbiont 07-12-2012 12:09 AM

So, I just found out I had misunderstood the email I got. The dyno numbers in the second post are for the intake, only.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...25&postcount=2

koyv90 07-12-2012 01:20 AM

damn injen is awesome!

staycrushing 07-12-2012 12:49 PM

nice tour... looks almost the same as mine...

www.istaycrushing.com/blogs/news

Symbiont 07-12-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staycrushing (Post 310992)
nice tour... looks almost the same as mine...

www.istaycrushing.com/blogs/news

Yeah, I noticed. The guys down there are awesome! Really enjoyed working with them.

Symbiont 07-13-2012 01:58 PM

I just received a couple pictures of the intake, one with a polished tube and one with a powdercoated black offering. I put them both in the first post of this thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11118

I like the polished the best, I think. The contrast with the heat shield and cover really looks good.

MarkRacerX 07-13-2012 02:43 PM

Wow, +12whp is Great up top, looks nice - Thanks for update.

Opposed 07-13-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkRacerX (Post 313426)
Wow, +12whp is Great up top, looks nice - Thanks for update.

yea, but look at the big loss of torque in the dip. 4th gear pull looks better, but all that to gain a few ponies in the last 500 rpm's? Not sure im sold on an intake for this car yet. I have to see it with some tuning. BUT, this product looks great. I think they did a great job!

Symbiont 07-13-2012 03:22 PM

By the way, I just checked their facebook page, and they are saying that the intake is ready for order.

Link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

Norcalmav23 07-13-2012 03:45 PM

Looks like that is where part of my friday pay check is going... any idea where we can buy it and how much?!?!

Symbiont 07-13-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcalmav23 (Post 313544)
Looks like that is where part of my friday pay check is going... any idea where we can buy it and how much?!?!

I honestly don't know the price yet, but I'd suggest emailing info@injen.com and inquiring about P/N:SP1230 (pulled from their FB page). Hopefully they can steer you in the right direction. :)

Thefuzz 07-13-2012 04:10 PM

Manager at autoanything.com is calling me back in a few to place an order. Price is $420

civicdrivr 07-13-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcalmav23 (Post 313544)
Looks like that is where part of my friday pay check is going... any idea where we can buy it and how much?!?!

So far this is the only place Ive found it for sale:

http://www.carid.com/2013-subaru-brz...ke-917139.html

CBR600RR 07-13-2012 04:20 PM

The peak HP numbers on the intake seem good, but the HP is basically only increased from about 6000rpm to 6950 RPM and seems to have a bit les HP everywhere else in the RPM range. not so good IMO. The car might even be slower as a result.

Norcalmav23 07-13-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 313626)
So far this is the only place Ive found it for sale:

http://www.carid.com/2013-subaru-brz...ke-917139.html

awesome... love the price too, it doesn't mention though if it comes with the the "box" to keep the hot air out. I'll call and try and find out...

skoodge 07-13-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBR600RR (Post 313639)
The peak HP numbers on the intake seem good, but the HP is basically only increased from about 6000rpm to 6950 RPM and seems to have a bit les HP everywhere else in the RPM range. not so good IMO. The car might even be slower as a result.


Anyone have any further input on this?

Opposed 07-13-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skoodge (Post 313776)
Anyone have any further input on this?

I thought the same thing. Look at the torque loss in the middle of the torque dip on the third gear dyno pull. Im looking to improve the torque dip, not lose more... A lot of aftermarket intakes seem to be losing power and tq on the low end. All are gaining some top end however, but its minimal. Still waiting to see results with tuning...

Chewie4299 07-13-2012 06:01 PM

I gotta ask. I'm not an expert and I've actually yet to have a car dyno'd but from all my forum research I've been under the impression that dyno pulls should be be done in the gear closest to a 1.000 gear ratio. I'm not sure what the reason is for this exactly.

In your 6MT 5th gear is 1.000.

GodSays 07-13-2012 06:11 PM

Did they dyno with the Hood up? Seen a pic where it looked like they were
If so thumbs down cuz I don't normally drive with my Hood up lol

Symbiont 07-13-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcalmav23 (Post 313641)
awesome... love the price too, it doesn't mention though if it comes with the the "box" to keep the hot air out. I'll call and try and find out...

It is all inclusive, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewie4299 (Post 313831)
I gotta ask. I'm not an expert and I've actually yet to have a car dyno'd but from all my forum research I've been under the impression that dyno pulls should be be done in the gear closest to a 1.000 gear ratio. I'm not sure what the reason is for this exactly.

In your 6MT 5th gear is 1.000.

I will ask, I have seen the same things. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opposed (Post 313800)
I thought the same thing. Look at the torque loss in the middle of the torque dip on the third gear dyno pull. Im looking to improve the torque dip, not lose more... A lot of aftermarket intakes seem to be losing power and tq on the low end. All are gaining some top end however, but its minimal. Still waiting to see results with tuning...

Honestly, you may lose ~1 HP down low, but the throttle response makes up for it, in my opinion. You are correct in that there is no intake-alone solution that has shown gains below 3500.

That being said, the HP is staying about the same all the way until it starts making gains up high.

I think these cars are going to need a mix of exhaust, intake, and tune to really end up the way we want them to be.


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