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mav1178 09-16-2016 01:04 AM

Aftermarket head gaskets for FA20
 
Aside from Cosworth and Cometic, does anyone else offer a head gasket for the FA20/4U-GSE?

Thanks.

-alex

-Phil 09-16-2016 11:04 AM

I do not believe there are any. if it makes you feel any better we use cometic for our builds and have never had a failure or quality control issue.

Amputechture 09-16-2016 11:48 AM

I believe HKS does as well.

celek 09-16-2016 03:53 PM

Cometic is your only choice you should look at

go_a_way1 09-16-2016 03:55 PM

Yeah like mentioned above HKS makes 2 variations of head gasket

celek 09-16-2016 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2754520)
Yeah like mentioned above HKS makes 2 variations of head gasket

Thin and Thicker
All motor and Turbo

Cometic will make you like 80 Variations of the gasket and thats no lie

go_a_way1 09-16-2016 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celek (Post 2754528)
Thin and Thicker
All motor and Turbo

Cometic will make you like 80 Variations of the gasket and thats no lie

Good to know :thumbup:

mav1178 09-16-2016 09:37 PM

Thank you.

I am working with a head gasket maker out of Taiwan, who is also an OEM supplier for several top tier brands out of Japan.

Trying to see if head gaskets make sense for the FA20 market since it's a new platform and many people boosting their cars don't opt for engine rebuild.

They can also offer many variations like Cometic. Also trying to target $100-150 price point.

-alex

spitfire481 09-17-2016 12:50 AM

I ran oem on a properly decked block and heads at 30psi (600whp) for close to a year. Oem gaskets on a Darton sleeved block at around 700whp as well with no signs of failures or high coolant pressures when I tore that motor down.

Drakiv 09-17-2016 08:27 AM

Fullblown makes a headgasket as well, or at least its their spec.

Matt@Cosworth 09-18-2016 04:18 PM

We're about to offer thicker gaskets too over the stock 0.78mm thickness
I feel I should also point out that our gasket is the only one to run closer to the chamber than the stock item, so reducing crevice volume

celek 09-19-2016 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2755660)
We're about to offer thicker gaskets too over the stock 0.78mm thickness
I feel I should also point out that our gasket is the only one to run closer to the chamber than the stock item, so reducing crevice volume

While true Cometic is offering 89.5mm as a catalog number which is backwards compatible to 86mm, they can make it an actual 86mm bore. I love Cosworth product but bias to my local company 10 min down the road. I have had so much success with them since 2001 when they got into the Automotive market. Yet to see one fail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2754785)
Thank you.

I am working with a head gasket maker out of Taiwan, who is also an OEM supplier for several top tier brands out of Japan.

Trying to see if head gaskets make sense for the FA20 market since it's a new platform and many people boosting their cars don't opt for engine rebuild.

They can also offer many variations like Cometic. Also trying to target $100-150 price point.

-alex

You will be very limited on any design changes. The factory gasket is actually 89.5mm bore size. The timing chain limits thickness changes. Honesty if you are investing it is not worth the tooling costs to recoupe if you are trying to make a thicker turbo gasket. I want to say Cometics price point is already like $140 a set and you can request any customization's free of charge. i.e larger head stud holes, bore size changes thickness changes ect....
Also the MLX design has a 3 die processed folded center layer like the HKS Stopper gasket at less than 1/2 the cost.


http://www.cometic.com/i-24767479-su...-5mm-bore.html

mav1178 09-19-2016 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celek (Post 2755982)
You will be very limited on any design changes. The factory gasket is actually 89.5mm bore size. The timing chain limits thickness changes. Honesty if you are investing it is not worth the tooling costs to recoupe if you are trying to make a thicker turbo gasket. I want to say Cometics price point is already like $140 a set and you can request any customization's free of charge. i.e larger head stud holes, bore size changes thickness changes ect....
Also the MLX design has a 3 die processed folded center layer like the HKS Stopper gasket at less than 1/2 the cost.


Thanks for the info.
The gasket is already made, I just need to figure out how many to bring in and what the market currently has.

Price point will be similar to Cometic, but at the end of the day it's all about what the market wants to pay for and use.

-alex

xwd 09-19-2016 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2755660)
We're about to offer thicker gaskets too over the stock 0.78mm thickness
I feel I should also point out that our gasket is the only one to run closer to the chamber than the stock item, so reducing crevice volume

When are these coming and how do they affect the CR?

Matt@Cosworth 09-20-2016 11:22 AM

hi they should be ready for SEMA and we will offer std (0.78), 1.05mm & 1.45mm

works out as follows:
so stock = 12.5:1
1.05 = 12.1:1
1.45 = 11.6:1

mav1178 11-16-2016 11:25 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Got the head gaskets in... we'll see if the price makes sense.

-alex

Fizz 11-17-2016 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth (Post 2756938)
hi they should be ready for SEMA and we will offer std (0.78), 1.05mm & 1.45mm

works out as follows:
so stock = 12.5:1
1.05 = 12.1:1
1.45 = 11.6:1

Any further update on this? What are the cons to reducing CR with head gaskets?

celek 11-17-2016 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizz (Post 2798407)
Any further update on this? What are the cons to reducing CR with head gaskets?

Cons are limitation due to a fixed Chain length but plenty of slack for adjustment.
Lower compression is designed for forced induction. In the NA platform no benefit.

Fizz 11-17-2016 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celek (Post 2798507)
Cons are limitation due to a fixed Chain length but plenty of slack for adjustment.
Lower compression is designed for forced induction. In the NA platform no benefit.

I'm currently running turbo kit on pump 98. This may be a cost effective way of reducing some compression without going for a full bottom end rebuild. And with the heads out it would also be a good time to upgrade the valve springs which is also fairly cost effective. So yes very interested if this will work

bhmax 06-10-2019 12:49 PM

Looking for some head gaskets. Any feedback on Cosworth gaskets? Looks like they were discontinued, but some are still available.

bhmax 01-17-2020 12:17 PM

Still looking for feedback on head gaskets. I had them replaced last year with Cometic and it seems I’ve now blown one of those.

tomm.brz 01-17-2020 12:27 PM

i just put Cosworth 1.05mm in mine
all good :)


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