Ceramic coats come off when you buff out swirl marks. Despite what the installer says you will get swirl marks eventually with ceramic coats. I'd rather save the money, and spend the time claying, waxing, and washing during regular intervals. The only long term investment in paint I think that's actually worth it is a clear bra.

check out Ammo NYC's youtube channel on proper wash and paint maintenace techniques and his recommended intervals. over washing the car will do more harm than good, i think weekly wash is overkill and you will most likely introduce more swirls and scratches than if you just wash it once a month.

edit: corrected sentence.

EXACTILY ......... I knew there was a good reason why I only wash my car twice a year ..... :D


humfrz

twice a year is a bit long for me haha. i try to do it once a month, or once every other month. but i do try my best to keep bug splats and bird dropping off the car as much as i can with detailing spray.

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Ceramic coats are a super hard layer of essentially glass that goes on the car. That shouldnt be able to be removed with anything but sanding.

Also the reason a lot of people get swirl marks is due to the fact that most people arent told the curing process for ceramic is about 20 days. You see a lot of youtube videos of people washing their car like a week after it gets coated. Technically the coat is still in a hardened gel form and hasnt completely dried yet. While its hard enough for daily driving they shouldn't be washing it. Thats where you get swirl marks and thats also probably how it gets removed with just a buff out.

Also if you go with a Ceramic Pro installer, the silver and gold packages come with a warranty, which means if you do get swirl marks they can fix and reapply the ceramic for free.

You also have to remember that the ceramic coats are very specifically a 9H coating. Bronze packaging for ceramic doesnt actually get the 9H coat. Which, guess what, means they didnt actually get a ceramic coat.

The dirt on your car is made up of hard particles, just as durable as the grit on sandpaper. Anybody that has a history of detailing their own car knows that no matter what you do (avoiding rinse-less car wash products, blasting off your car with foamy lubricating soap, two bucket method with grit guard, new sponges and towels, etc), there will always be particles left on the surface that you're rubbing against when gliding that sponge across your car. Nothing short of something of 10 on the Mohs scale of hardness (diamond), is going to prevent swirl marks. The dust and dirt on your car contains particles that go up pretty high on that scale.

But the proof is always in the pudding. When looking at the advertising for this product, it mentions being "Scratch Resistant", never "Scratch Proof". If it'll scratch, it'll swirl. You can further confirm that the company is not confident this will reduce swirls by looking at the warranty of this product you're referencing (Nanoshine Ceramic Pro 9H). If in fact it could protect against swirl marks, I highly doubt they would list swirl marks as something they do not provide coverage for...

Exclusions –

1. Where the owner has deemed to have been careless, negligent or fails to maintain the exterior painted surface in the correct manner.

2. Pre-existing damage to the painted surface.

3. Damage to the coated surface by incorrect manual wash techniques, automatic car washes, brushes or contaminated wash tools that may cause abrasion, or damage caused by a third party not authorised by Nano Shine.

4. Swirl marks, marring, scratches, scuffs, scrapes, chips to the vehicles surface.

5. Waterspots – Waterspots are caused by hard water (mineral deposits) which are left to dry on the paint and leave a stain, water spotting is not covered.

6. Failed Clear Coat – Peeling, Hazing and Fading.

7. Damage caused by collision, accidental damage, vandalism, malicious damage, fire, hail, flood, stones, collision, surface rust, rail dust, physical damage, paint overspray, water etch or vehicle manufacturer’ defects, or defects which may be covered under a manufacturers or dealerships protection plan.

8. Area’s that have not been retreated after a paint repair.

9. Any loss of time or use of the vehicle while it undergoes inspections or treatments.

Source: http://www.nanoshine.com.au/lifetime_warranty.html

Their list of exclusions actually seems to warranty against everything somebody would expect this coating to provide protection against. Am I saying this product is useless? Nope. I'm just saying it's a lot of money for something that doesn't provide a ton of protection, and from my experience isn't permanent. For my money i'll stick with a clear bra for the front, and the good old clay bar, polish, wax, and regular wash for everything else.

i hope you are not using a sponge...

For cryen out loud folks, you're not washing a newborn baby .......:eyebulge:

Most of the time, just wash the damn dirt off whenever you feel like it and wax it a couple times a year ..........:D


humfrz - off to nap land

do you recommend ceramic coating a baby?

Well, here at the humfrz day care, I just got done coating my 7&9 year old granddaughters with sunscreen, before they went out into pa-pa's swimming pool.

Also, I fed the 2 month old granddaughter 3 oz of formula ....... ma-ma took over and changed her ....... but I didn't ask if she coated her ...... :iono:


NOW - it's nap time ......... ;)


humfrz

I have a friend that never truly washes his car; he just rinses it with a pressure washer if it gets really dirty. he looks at me like I'm crazy when I spend only 3 hours detailing my car lol

Is he old .....??

:D


humfrz

he's only 31 but has old person tendencies... lol

I mean each to his own in the end really. I love my ceramic coat. I don't need anything more than a light preassure washer to get dirt off of it. Hell it rained the other day and that was enough for all the dust to just literally fall off.
My own experience with clear bra is a bad one so I'm probably biased. Spent 1200$ it turned yellow after 3 years. When I got it removed, due to the constant temperature change in norcal I had spider webbing in the paint. Not to mention I hated how I spent that much and it only covered the front bumper and partial fenders

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