Originally Posted by Deep Six (Post 2726140)

I think I interpreted the Op's question a little differently.


Why does it seem the car enthusiast community in general, sneers at the twins due to the under powered perception while the Miata has a near reverent status as a small light sports car?

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2726147)

There have been over a million Miatas sold across the various generations. That's one long ass line of Miata apologists ;)

Originally Posted by MarkR171 (Post 2725934)

The 86 is slow. The Miata (ND) is quicker. They're both good cars. The 86 has a fixed roof and a "back seat" with a transmission that doesn't blow up.

Originally Posted by driftartist (Post 2726165)

if the ND is actually quicker due to power to weight ratio, it wouldnt be by much because the ND has 160 crank hp from their 2.0 and we have 173 approx wheel hp...so im not sure what you mean. maybe in agility you mean or on a twisty road?

Originally Posted by FX86 (Post 2726122)

those numbers are like the engineers measuring which car has the longest dip stick

totally irrelevant to the streets

Originally Posted by Deep Six (Post 2726140)

I think I interpreted the Op's question a little differently.


Why does it seem the car enthusiast community in general, sneers at the twins due to the under powered perception while the Miata has a near reverent status as a small light sports car?

Originally Posted by JFunk (Post 2726075)

This car handles like a dream fun to see the big and fast v8s slow down for turns when i just ease through them

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana (Post 2726172)

short throw dipstick fam

Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2726007)

I understand now how this forum got to 2.5 million posts. People just keep saying/discussing the same few things over and over again ;)

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2726170)

It's not quicker by much, but the ND is quicker in a straight line IIRC.

Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2726182)

I think it's because of expectations. The miata has been around for so long that everyone knows what it is and accepts that it is light, nimble, and fun but slow. The ND is such a hit because it nails all of those and it is better and faster than the previous generation.

The twins had some weird expectations of the next coming of Jesus for some reason, so when it came out people expected it to be like a GT4 or something. Also I think the styling and marketing makes people compare it to other sporty coupes, all of which are significantly faster, whereas the miata is kind of in a unique niche.

Even on this forum, people don't like accepting that the twins aren't that fast. For some reason a lot of people on this forum aren't content with having a fun car and wants it to be faster than other cars for some reason. The miata people don't seem have this hang up.

like this next comment:



The twins are probably easier for novice drivers to drive faster in corners, but the big tire v8's will objectively turn faster than the twins on a single corner. So the fact that the v8's are slowing down and you are not mostly means that you are a combination of more confident/reckless than they are.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2726263)

That would explain why the FR-S/BRZ is faster at a track like VIR which has a couple of long straights and high speed turns.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2726263)

Yeah the ND's weight and torque advantage give it a ~1/2 second lead 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

Looking closer at the numbers though, what I found surprising is that the HP and aero of the FR-S give it a significant advantage above 60 mph.



That would explain why the FR-S/BRZ is faster at a track like VIR which has a couple of long straights and high speed turns.