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Originally Posted by Apex-Apex (Post 2726014)

In all honestly, these cars do need more power stock. At least 50whp MINIMUM.

i'd say more torque would be nice at a lower rpm rather than horsepower

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Originally Posted by FX86 (Post 2726016)

i'd say more torque would be nice at a lower rpm rather than horsepower

That wouldn't be bad either. Tired of having to downshift constantly when I was N/A.

OP:

You need to stop tormenting yourself and just get a faster car.

It's okay. We'll forgive you.

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2725925)

Why is the Miata less powerful but every thinks is fast, cool quick fun spirited, great handling and the list goes on

Talk to anyone about the FRS or BRZ, THAT CAR IS TO SLOW. Why aren't fun cool fast quick, spirited great handling and the list goes on. We know we are but the consensus is SLOW and no one looks past it.

Spend less time on the internet, or get better irl friends.

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2726024)

Spend less time on the internet, or get better irl friends.

or better don't have any friends at all..all they do is ride your co-tails and leech off of you

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Originally Posted by MrDinkleman (Post 2725991)

................I have a 10th Anniversary Model (1999) Miata and to me, they are equals in terms of driving fun/dynamics although the Twins are, of course, quieter and more rigid.

Before my FR-S, I had a 2006 (NC) Miata and drove it for 8 years and 88,000 touring miles (mostly top down).

To me, the miata and FR-S drive about the same.

The Miata has the top down dimension, while the FR-S has more cargo space and is quieter (because coupe).

Even after 16,000 miles and 3 years, I cannot feel as "confident" driving the FR-S, as I did driving the Miata, on twisty mountain roads. Maybe that's because the Miata I had did not have TC or ESC nor a limited slip differential so when it started to "go off center", I knew exactly what to do and it did exactly what I expected.

Then again, maybe it's just because I'm older and mrs humfrz keeps commenting "I just know I'm going to die it this car someday" ...... :iono:

Be damned the gravel road and no guardrails, at 14,000 feet ........ my Miata was on rails ........ :happyanim:

humfrz

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2725985)

I always love the argument our cars need 300+ horse power. People always chant on about how it needs that much. But it seems absurd to try and explain that something like that would no longer be a "cheap fun car" and instead make it an exotic fast and expensive car. It boggles my mind why people don't understand that. It's a $26k car for god sake!
Though I'd probably buy one with a factory turbo for $40k, but then it would be limited to those who would/ could buy it. And again, it wouldn't be competing with cars like the miata. It would be competing directly with something like the Porsche 718.

I always enjoy the common statement that "I want/it should have 300HP". It seems like such a precise number to chose. So many just look at that number and have no clue how that translates to the actual vehicle. Sure there are guys that may want that and understand the ramifications of almost doubling the actual HP of the car but I would bet the majority do not. At least weekly we read about somebody here losing the car with stock power and just the nanny turned off. A couple of times a month we read about people crashing their cars on stock power alone. I can not even begin to imagine the carnage that would result if these things came with much more HP than they do. We could probably surpass the Mustang as king of the crash meme!

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Originally Posted by Apex-Apex (Post 2726014)

In all honestly, these cars do need more power stock. At least 50whp MINIMUM.

Why? What do they "need" it for? I can see by the pic in your sig line that perhaps you could want more but why does the car in general "need" more? For every person that tracks or races one of these there are probably 1,000 that just drive it as a car and would be completely unable to deal with even an extra 50HP every time it rained or snowed.

Now, if these were AWD I would totally agree that they would "need" more but they are not and as a RWD there is plenty to get the job done for the majority of the driving public.

Two schools of thoughts Miata and 86

When will this my car needs more power or my car etc is not fast enough ever end. Just FYI the original AE86 had 112 HP and yet I never heard those guys complaining. Mods close this silly OP.

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I think part of the reason this car gets so much flack is due to the aggressive styling of the car. Up until the ND, the Miata has always been a cute car. Even the original AE86 was pretty tame looking.

The 86/BRZ look faster and more expensive than they really are. Sometimes I wish this car was less obvious.

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2726007)

I understand now how this forum got to 2.5 million posts. People just keep saying/discussing the same few things over and over again ;)

that and Off Topic :bonk:

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2726054)

Even Tada-San has mentioned it so many times and yet spec sheet people never get it the car is suppose to be fun to drive, doesn't cost a fortune to maintain and can still be daily driven the heck out of it and the car gets it done. Drop mic

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2726054)

that's the best part...we look fast so if we drive slow that shows people we have nothing to prove and we must be really fast but we are showing restraint haha

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2726039)

That. So much that.

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2726036)

Be damned the gravel road and no guardrails, at 14,000 feet ........ my Miata was on rails ........ :happyanim:

humfrz

Roads scary enough they need to put Portapotties in the middle of them apparently.