Tacoma vs f150
 

Hello guys and gals.
Enjoyed Frs and really love the car.
But baby is on the way and I been thinking about getting into truck.
Of course being Toyota lover Tacoma was first choice,
Double cab 4x4 Trd off road.
But been looking at newish 2.7 v6 ecoboost.
Will be towing something like 1k weight for business everyday.

I am kinda torn between 2.
1. Price - about same
2. Power - ford
3. Size - ford
There is tune for ecoboost also !! Wow pretty sick.
Only thing that is stopping me is the brand name.
What do you guys think ?

Those two trucks aren't even in the same category. Really like comparing apples and oranges when you compare a mid size and a full size truck.

If you need to tow, obviously go with the bigger, heavier truck.

I would suggest neither. Out of the two the Tacoma is the one that hold resale the best, but it is not a full size truck, to compare equally you'd step up to the tundra.


I would suggest staying away from the ford though, their new aluminum body is not turning out how they thought it would, and they tend to drop in value VERY quickly.


Look towards the GM products, as the motor is incredibly reliable, the interior is high quality, and the new body style is gorgeous. Super reliable and obviously able to make power seeing as the basic engine architecture is derived from other GM v8's. You can even get a 6.2 in certain variations.


Pricewise, you can get a Silverado for around the same as an F150 or Dodge Ram.

I'd get a Ridgeline... Well within its lower towing limits and very comfortable.

He said he was looking for a truck. :lol:

Miata or a good clean S2000... Oh wait I just went with the standard responses here.

Towing: Ford
'I think I need a truck': Tacoma

4x4 TRD off road in LA? LMFAO, why?
Save the gas money unless your ego is that fragile.

Growing up my dad had an '01 F150 for towing a boat and racecar trailer. Over ~6 years the thing sailed past 100k miles with only minor issues criss-crossing California. Our boat trailer had more issues than the Ford did. Truck was great until I totaled it in 2007 being a dumbass, went out and bought another one he still has to this day. Runs just fine, paint peeling off the roof but aside from that it's solid.

Coilpacks would burn up and the result was the engine would just cut out from time to time, fucking stupid, spent some time on the side of the freeway futzing with it, but Toyota botched the coilpacks on the 86 and Mazda botched them on the RX-8 so whatcha gonna do? And the Ecoboost likely has its own quirks, but it still gets a ton of attention around the internet so it's not considered a time bomb yet.

No you're right, it's only a thousand pounds, that's hairdresser levels of towing so a hairdresser's car is perfect!

http://www.jonweinberg.com/TD_Pix/Mi...rdrop_019s.jpg

I am very torn.
I spent hour under the sun yesterday, putting back stock tail light, rear interior back.
Just have to take the header out and tune it back. Ready to trade in.

I figured I need 4x4 to impress fellow bros.
I made offer on full size Xlt 4x4 2.7eco over the email. If the offer is not met I am going to longo for tacoma

Holy shit, honesty.
:respekt:

Ahh I've been looking at trucks for a year and can't commit. Pops just bought a fully decked out CrewMax Tundra 4x4 and he loves it, he upgraded when his previous gen Tundra hit 240,000 miles. A stripper 2WD Tundra Double Cab SR model with tow hitch will run you about $26,999 + TTL. I think that's a great value proposition and am tempted myself. With the 4.6L coming out of the Lexus GX it's a smooth and trusty operator. Bump it up to the crewmax and you've legitimately got SUV space. The tech is archaic and you'll be getting 17 mpg average (http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/tun...=&submodel_id=) but the interior is still good and standard features is best in class... there's always a trade off.

If you can tolerate the space, go with the Tacoma - especially if you can haggle down to invoice. A 4x4 3.5L double cab is a great truck for anyone under 6'. The seat doesn't have height adjustment, so ya gotta fit the mold so to speak. Folks complain about a hunting gearbox that's constantly shifting on the highway, you can put it into o/d to hold high gear and that'll solve it - I also believe that's one software update away from being resolved. For the record, I didn't notice any extraordinary shifting on my test drive. Finding a deal on a Taco is a needle in a haystack. They seem to appreciate after they leave the dealer lot.

That being said it's hard to pass up the bang-for-the-buck of half ton pick-ups when the small size pickups: taco, canyon/colorado, frontier, ridgeline? are so expensive it's harder to pass on the extra space. My neighbor has a 1500 Silverado that he's happy to the moon with it albeit it's a $45,000 truck. When I checked them out at dealership I thought they were a little overpriced and I read about transmission grenade stories on the forums, from my neighbor and from Moss Bros Chevy tech's it was enough to put me off the model. Then consider the packages/options required for what should be standard equipment and loses ground to other models. It's got fine pedigree but you need to haul 1,000 lbs - a Civic can do that :) For those that need to haul heavier cargo would go to an HD model for the same money. I think it's the best looking half ton out there, for what it's worth.

Another friend has a GMC Sierra 2500 HD Denali with the 6.6L Duramax and it is literally an office on wheels. He's a boss man in construction so I get it, but to say excessive is an understatement. Stickers for something like $71,000 but can be had in the mid $50k if you're willing to go out of state (his was in Idaho).

As for the Ford...I really want to like it and if you're comfortable with the ecoboost than there's massive appeal to it because it's in a class on its own. The 2.7L has gotten favorable reviews for a light duty truck. Not sure you'd want to tune it though given its your family vehicle and you'd likely want to ensure you can provide for them and not be stranded or incur unnecessary stress/costs for a few extra horsepower (but hey, to each their own), also... it's a damn truck... /soapbox. Everyone praises the 3.5L but unless you're towing heavy cargo, what's the point right?

I'm a believer in the N/A V8 for a half ton, the appeal to the turbo isn't there and the mpg difference is about 1 mile per gallon (http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-150...=&submodel_id=) so to me the F-150 is in the same boat as the Tundra with its decade old V8. I prefer the interior on the Toyota SR over the Ford XL w/ 101A model. But I'm a cheap bastard that has a budget of $30k and I also believe I'm going to keep it for 150k miles and I have no faith in the boosted powertrain making it that long nor am I confident the body will hold up well to years of dings, dents and abuse. If you think you'll be dumping the truck by 50k miles for something else, go for econboost. A 2x4 XL 101A SuperCrew with the 2.7L will offer much more interior volume than the Taco and be cheaper at about $29,300 + TTL or bump it up to a 4x4 XLT 101A model for $34,200 + TTL. Better for family trips. Though you will lose much more on the Ford than the Toyota.

And congrats! :cheers:

You are doing yourself a disservice by not looking at the "better" trucks. Do some research on that aluminum body, and the ACTUAL gas mileage of the ecoboost engines. Then compare to a GMC sierra or a Chevrolet Silverado double cab.

get a ford f150 svt raptor..it's sits high already so the fat chicks can't jump to reach it when trying to get inside.

Well thanks all for .2cents.
I forgo to mention, mpg is last of my list.
If this was 5years ago I would have just gotten Toyota and call it a day but I feel like Toyota brand is boring now.
And Msrp of the f150 I am looking at is 45k, would love to step it up to lariat or plat but with baby coming and few other stuff they are little out of price range.

Another turn off is there is no such thing as invoice deal on Tacoma, if you know one please let me know. Tacoma is one of very few cars dealerships actually make money on.

I will give Chevy test drive, I never thought about them.

Yah my brother in laws ecoboost ( i believe its a 2014 model) only nets 1 mpg better, he said the power is okay but he might as well opted for a v8 cause they had better deals on them at the time. My boss has told me similar things about his ecoboost. I think you can get tuners for eco boost engines specifically for mpg's but thats a hassle for a lot of people. (non car bro types) The technology is there but were a few years off. maybe in 3-4 years we'll see some really really good numbers, like 25+ city and maybe 30+ highway on gas turbo truck motors.


That being said why not a cummins? you can price them out really well and they net good (for a truck) mpg. 300+ hp and 800+ tq can also be had with a manual transmission in 2016, they also hold their resale value. Low mileage 2002 models with 100k on the odo still go for 10-15 grand.

I had one and it could barely haul groceries. Nice ride though.

Dodge Ram!

*returns to thread*
*thread turned full on bro truck*
*no consideration for actual towing capability*
*OP really only needs to tow 1,000 lbs*
*Anti aluminum body panel propaganda*
*my low displacement 3xxhp turbo engine still uses as much gas as a high displacement 3xxhp NA engine*

Welp, have fun guys, I'm of no use here.

:cheers:

Tacomaaaaa!

Taco Powah!

Love mine

Needing a truck, or wanting a truck? :) It sounds like his "needs" are a four door vehicle, w/bed and with space for kids. Best utility family vehicle with great gas mileage would be a Ridgeline at the moment... Unless Subaru can bring back the Baja because I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.

LOL, See, you understand why I recommended the Ridgeline :)

Must have missed this post:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=10

Ill sell you a tacoma at invoice and buy you a ticket to florida lol

Lol damn. I used to never discount for Tacoma. Now that I am considering one, all the bad deal is coming back to me.

Theyre just metal to me lol. I sell more i get more of them :)

I just went through a similar process a few months back.

Ford really does make an awesome truck and I had been looking at the V6 ecoboost model. Slightly used and a great price.

I did not buy it because I researched the engine, hit up forums, and looked at recalls first.
That ecoboost engine is direct injection and has had its share of issues. Improper pcv system, oil getting in the turbo, severe valve/intake coking, etc... Not all owners have had issues with them but I found enough for me to decide to pass.

I decided to buy a good old fashioned port injection engine.

Ford F150 baby V8 was not a bad option but Ford was being stubborn at the time on pricing.

Tacomas are great trucks, I personally owned a 2007 model and put over 100000 trouble free miles on it.

But Tacomas are expensive and the dealers dont cut prices on them like they do the Tundras.

So I bought a Tundra and have been happy with it so far. Port injected so no worries of common DI engine problems.

I also got a smokin deal on it. Tundra's dont move like F150's or Tacomas and the dealers are very willing to make deals on them.

I saw a guy towing an Airstream in his WRX down the highway.
I wanted to give him thumbs up, but it was the middle of January.

It was like this, but the Airstream was even bigger (double the length)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...psbs9mtn6g.jpg

There's a California guy who tows his Formula Ford setup for autocross with his old retired WRX that was setup for autocross:

https://racecarsdirect.com/content/U...390089.jpg?v=1

I became a Dodge convert about five years ago after never owning a Chrysler product in my life. I bought a Durango R/T mostly because it was the right size and a very good friend of mine is the lead mechanic at the dealership just down the road from where I live. It now has 120,000 trouble free miles including trips all over the southeast towing either my car or motorcycles.


Given that I am looking at getting a RAM 1500 next year just for something new. They are currently offering 0% financing for 72 months and you can choose between the 5.7 hemi or a 3.0 diesel.

Hahaha one of my friends used to own a 4x2 Frontier and yeah we all laughed when he got stuck in a muddy field and in the snow.

I'd go with the F150. I was impressed with it when I sat in one, but I'm not really a truck guy.

This is of course a highly propagandized advertising video (and I hate Chevy's douchey "real people" commercials), but apparently these tests have been also replicated by third parties. If you want to see the most disappointing part of the Ford's performance, look at what happened when they dropped a steel tool box into the bed at 1:50. The anti-aluminum camp appear to actually have facts on their side after all.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTm2F4ysQrE"]Silverado Strong: Steel Bed Outperforms Aluminum Bed - 2016 Silverado | Chevrolet - YouTube[/ame]

Personally, I wouldn't buy the Ford regardless of whether I intended to actually use it (which I probably would) or were just trying to impress truck bros. A truck bed with a hole in it after dropping something heavy on it wouldn't work for the former, and the knowledge out there that the aluminum panels are crap isn't going to impress anybody.

Here's an article in Forbes that gives more information about the tests they did. That tool box busted through the Ford bed 13 out of 14 times they tried it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmul.../#32aef4bf2465

The reality of the matter is that putting personal preferences aside you really can not go wrong with ANY modern pickup. They all have their ups and downs so pick whatever one has the features you want for the price you want to pay and go for it.

You sure?

My brother bought his F150 4.5 years ago and some drunk driver cut in front of him and totalled it. He got 4k less than he paid for it from insurance. It was 2 years old when he bought it but still.. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 1-3 year old F150 if I needed one.

I needed something that had more interior capacity and more towing, so I picked up my older 3/4 ton Burb instead.

Although, the OP should be comparing the Tundra vs the F-150 IMO, not the Taco.

He bought used, it had taken the biggest initial hit it sounds like. They drop pretty quick in year 1 and 2 and then maintain for a little bit. All depends on trim and equipment, but you can find nicely equipped F150's that are 2-3 years old reasonably priced. From what I gather the OP is talking new vehicle purchase.


My first sentence was the Tundra statement as well :P

That isnt bad but Tacomas hold their value like a beast.

I paid $25k brand new for 2007 Tacoma.
Over the next 7 years I put 110000 miles on it.
2014 wife totals it on icy roads.

Insurance cut me a $17k check.

Buying any new truck is stupid though IMO. They all lose a bit at first.


Except the Raptor anyways.

Well here is thing, we all know that American trucks have big rebates and incentive. Both Tacoma and f150 is actually about thousand or two different.
I was thinking about using my old 93 Toyota truck but with no ac I am over it.
I am planning to buy within 2weeks decision decision....

Fixing AC is cheaper than a new truck, even if it has zero AC parts right now..

i agree what you said is exactly what I should be doing.

If we all did exactly what we SHOULD be doing half this forum would be driving 10 year old Camrys.