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09-16-2018 02:22 PM |
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Originally Posted by gtengr
(Post 3133836)
I don't see the contradiction since that's ultimately a poor fatigue detail/bad weld passing inspection. A weld with a fish eye will last for a time. Also, my post was meant as an elaboration on "Thinner pipes mean weaker joints at the welds. Welds are just the weakest part of the system." Welds are generally not the weakest part of the system unless the welding is sub-standard, though I reckon that's a fair assumption in some segments of the automotive aftermarket.
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The pipe to weld junction is the weakest part of the header. This really isn't saying anything that shouldn't be pretty obvious. The welds themselves are usually stronger/thicker than the pipe but much more brittle. The pipe is flexible and decently strong. The flanges are thick and strong. The unions of pipes to flanges, which are the welds, are obviously the weak link. Moreover, the thinner the gauge metal, the weaker this junction will be. Why?
Thinner metals of the same quality will deform more to heat, which will put stress on the header, most critically at the weakest link in the chain. Also, thinner metals are inherently weaker to vibrations and compression/tension forces. This can be problematic for headers that are poorly designed to deal with loads like the weight of a turbo or exhaust system, or for headers that lack support braces, or those that have quality control problems for fitment/alignment issues.
Fisheyed welds seem to exist in thinner gauges where the welder did a stream of spot welds with lift before saturating the surface, perhaps moving quickly to avoid blow through. That happens at the last weld too when lifting before saturation. These welds are at risk of failure along the weld like you said, but again, they would correlate higher with thinner gauged metal (I'm saying from an educated guess)
If you look up cracked headers, you will find all types of cracks, but a reoccurring crack will be a seam running parallel to the edge of a weld. This is likely due to the joint where a flexible pipe meets a stiff and brittle weld and/or junction. Just like how most muscle tears occur at the muscle tendon junction, this is the weak link where the weld is at its thinnest, where the pipe may have thinned during the welding process, and where the forces of flex meet an inflexible point along the header.
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