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strat61caster 07-20-2016 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2709460)
Ahhh, but those cars also weighed less. Its all subjective, but a lot of the cars being discussed are not quick by any measure, but then again neither is the 86.
2008 Mustang GT >3,450 lbs/300 HP = 11.5 lbs/HP
2003 Mustang GT >3300 lbs/260 hp = 12.69 lbs/hp
1998 Mustang GT >3300 lbs/225 HP = 14.67 lbs/hp
1993 Mustang GT >3160 lbs/205 hp = 15.41 lbs/hp

I thought we were talking about how you think modern V6 pony cars aren't enough power for your manly needs. Guess it's all subjective now...

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2709371)
Q: What happened to <11 lbs/hp not being a requirement for calling a car 'fun'?

A: An internet penis measuring contest.

FRS: 2750 lbs/200 hp = 13.75 lbs/hp
ND Miata: 2330 lbs/155 hp = 15.03 lbs/hp
V6 Pony Car: ~3500 lbs/305 hp = 11.47 lbs/hp
V6 Challenger: ~3850/305hp = 12.62 lbs/hp

:iono:

Summerwolf 07-20-2016 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2709495)
2008 Mustang GT >3,450 lbs/300 HP = 11.5 lbs/HP
2003 Mustang GT >3300 lbs/260 hp = 12.69 lbs/hp
1998 Mustang GT >3300 lbs/225 HP = 14.67 lbs/hp
1993 Mustang GT >3160 lbs/205 hp = 15.41 lbs/hp

I thought we were talking about how you think modern V6 pony cars aren't enough power for your manly needs. Guess it's all subjective now...
They're not. You are missing quite a bit of factors with some of these cars. It isn't all as simple as power to weight. Torque, gearing, the powerband of certain motors you're showcasing here.... one dataset does not make the story of a full car. It was pretty well known most of the base gt mustangs were slouches though. The four cam and special versions were the fast ones out of the box. Those are mustangs though.... not sure how we got on to mustangs specifically lol.

For the record, the SVT cobra of 03-04 for comparison.

3665 lbs. 360 hp = 10.18 lbs / hp

strat61caster 07-20-2016 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2709533)
They're not. You are missing quite a bit of factors with some of these cars. It isn't all as simple as power to weight. Torque, gearing, the powerband of certain motors you're showcasing here.... one dataset does not make the story of a full car. It was pretty well known most of the base gt mustangs were slouches though. The four cam and special versions were the fast ones out of the box. Those are mustangs though.... not sure how we got on to mustangs specifically lol.

For the record, the SVT cobra of 03-04 for comparison.

3665 lbs. 360 hp = 10.18 lbs / hp
Sorry, bro, can't keep up with your shifting goalposts in my slow FR-S, enjoy the next sucker to come along and argue with you.

:cheers:

*I only looked at Mustangs because Chevy didn't develop the Camaro for a decade and I was on my phone.

Summerwolf 07-21-2016 12:12 AM
:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2709547)
:cheers:

WolfpackS2k 07-21-2016 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2709371)
Q: What happened to <11 lbs/hp not being a requirement for calling a car 'fun'?

A: An internet penis measuring contest.

FRS: 2750 lbs/200 hp = 13.75 lbs/hp
ND Miata: 2330 lbs/155 hp = 15.03 lbs/hp
V6 Pony Car: ~3500 lbs/305 hp = 11.47 lbs/hp
V6 Challenger: ~3850/305hp = 12.62 lbs/hp

:iono:
V6 Camaro is more like 3450/335 = 10.2

FX86 07-21-2016 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2709547)
Sorry, bro, can't keep up with your shifting goalposts in my slow FR-S, enjoy the next sucker to come along and argue with you.

:cheers:
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Jaden 07-21-2016 03:24 PM
yep...
 
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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 2709811)
V6 Camaro is more like 3450/335 = 10.2
and a twin with FI at like 8-10 psi and a conservative tune is 2750/320bhp = 8.6 no FI and just e85 2750/230 = 11.9...

FI AND E85 2750/380BHP= 7.23 which you would need 475+ to match in a pony

Jaden

Summerwolf 07-21-2016 03:50 PM
JFC there is some ricer bench racing math going on in here.

Sonic Motor 07-21-2016 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2710007)
JFC there is some ricer bench racing math going on in here.
That's a Camaro/Mustang owners favorite type of racing!

Summerwolf 07-21-2016 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonic Motor (Post 2710008)
That's a Camaro/Mustang owners favorite type of racing!


I see a lot more of them being raced than twins.....:bonk::iono:

Deep Six 07-22-2016 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2710010)
I see a lot more of them being raced than twins.....:bonk::iono:
The platform has zero factory support for sanctioned W2W racing and by design it really can only be competitive in one classification TCA. Even there after Rivera started showing some early domination (Road America), BOP changes sent him to the back of the pack. Now he is in a 370.


The twins will never be produced on the same scale as Mustangs and Camaros which is why you find them in far less abundance at track days as well. Fact is that many pony car owners snub the twins because they are perceived to be underpowered then find themselves humbled during track days by mildly modified 86's.

EAGLE5 07-22-2016 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Six (Post 2710490)
The platform has zero factory support for sanctioned W2W racing and by design it really can only be competitive in one classification TCA. Even there after Rivera started showing some early domination (Road America), BOP changes sent him to the back of the pack. Now he is in a 370.
This is why I don't give a fuck about racing. It's more about the rules than anything, which means it's political racing, not car racing.


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