Went to buy a BRZ last year. Test drove a WRX and an STI for the heck of it. Came home with a WRX. The car is sick. It will get you thrown in jail. I like that Subaru so much, might as well get the other one.

I wanted a Camaro at one time, but after the GM buyout will never buy a GM product again. Glad I did as I see either a Camaro or a Mustang on every other corner in our town.(nothing against Ford,just tired of seeing so many tangs all the time too) Nice to have something different and not cookie cutter with the BRZ around here. Same reason also bought the new STI limited without wing. Had to wait along time for that option to finally come out.

I know this a numbers thing, but 1LE Camaros can do 1.01G on a skidpad, whereas the BRZ / FRS does .89G


Also the Camaro has 14 inch brembos which easily outperform the BRZ / FRS brakes.


I get it... they're heavy, but they outperform our cars in every way.

lol... agility is NOT measurable on a skidpad. It is one thing to plant 4 tires on the ground and drive rounds, but being able to move quickly, easily, rapid transitions and stuff is another thing.

Skidpad numbers are good for magazines. It does not necessarily translate into good handling... AND BALANCE, which is key.

Which is why the 1LE was named "best handling Camaro ever" and was widely regarded as a great "drivers" car.....

Seems like you are the kind of guy that like lots of hp... Going from a camaro to a brz, it will probably disappoint for you. The BRZ is slow af, but it has an amazing handling, and incredible fun car on the back roads that makes up for it.

If you appreciate a good drive on twisty roads and are willing to sacrifice HP, then go for the BRZ 2017.

"best handling camaro ever".... yes maybe, but the previous models were so numb that it was probably not that difficult to achieve.

oh and also, take 610-FT slalom if you want a better comparison.

Camaro does 44.2 mph, our cars 43.9 mph. Now THAT is outperforming right?

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LOL, why would you take one thing as a better comparison? And then according to you they're outperformed in that one cherry picked category anyways.


By previous model I think you mean base model or SS model 5th gens before the refresh correct?

There are certain things the twins do well, but continuing to compare these things to Camaros, mustangs, wrxs, corvettes etc... they're just not in the same category of performance stock for stock.

Skidpad performance has a lot to do with how much rubber is on a car and how good that rubber is. I think we all know the significant performance changes our cars see with wider and stickier rubber. On 215 Primacies, it's pretty impressive that our cars still manage 0.89G.

That said, both the 1LE and especially the Z28 both are faster than they have the right to be, for as big as they are. GM killed it on both of those.

The shorter the slalom the more the smaller car is favored. Vehicle width is a big factor in how fast a car can slalom. But that doesn't mean a wider car is less nimble than a narrower car.

you can get a 2014 brz for 20k all day.

A new Camaro SS 1LE is near 40k+.

The only reason 1LE got brought in to this was due to someone saying they had gotten rid of theirs. Even then, why compare a new Camaro to a used brz?


Comparing used to used, you can find a 5th gen SS for similar pricing, neither the twins, or the 5th gens retain resale value well. 1LE models more-so than normal SS vehicles.

totally forgot they had a 1LE for previous 2013 model. its hard to keep track with all these refreshes they keep doing. for 30k used that is great deal and around the price of a new twin.

I'm really excited to see what the 1LE will bring to the table in the new Camaro.