Well, they sure do sell their fair share of red. I had a choice of red (Ablaze) and Steel, chose steel, and am very happy with my choice every time I see a red one.

Mind you I might have gone for pearl white if it had been available.

Ten years from now they will be $5k cars. I don't see them holding their value or being worth much more than a Civic SI or GTI from the same era.

Like almost every car made, they will eventually fall out of favor among the general public and appear 'dated', and then after another period of time when they have mostly disappeared from whatever the current popular list of available 'sports cars' is, they will experience a resurgence of popularity and perhaps even become collectable amongst those who appreciate them for what they are. I remember when BMW 2002s, Datsun Z cars, and old Alfas were considered 2nd and 3rd tier alternatives to sports cars of the 80's. That seems to have reversed itself pretty well at this point...

I fear that 10 years from now, we will all be driven in autonomous cars, the cost & liability of driving your own car will be too high for the average person, and manual-driven cars will be limited to private roads / tracks. These are the salad days, my friends. It only gets worse from here. My advice: get in yer 86, peel out like you stole it, roll the windows down and enjoy the freedoms.

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That may take longer. But in 10-15 years any remaining twins may have to be converted to electric as buying gas may be almost impossible.

Yeah... 4 years in and I'm already in queue for a respray on my firestorm. I am regretting not buying silver. My previous Scion was silver and always looked clean, and even with little maintenance and constant exposure to the elements, the paint held up unexpectedly well for the 8 years of ownership.

If you haven't considered paint restoration, give it a shot at your local good detailer. Could save a bundle.

Do you garage yours?

Yeah, red needs to be cared for more than a lot of other colors. I try to protect my paint as much as possible. It still looks great and it's almost 3 years old.

I think the shape of this car is classic, but the low engine output drives away a lot of potential owners. I think it will have the same kind of demand that RSXs or Preludes have.

As a couple posters have mentioned, in my eyes the twins have similar lines and a profile to the 2000GT which is one of the best looking coupes ever. I always thought the twins were very good looking, especially for a cheaper vehicle. To be fair, sports cars age well comparatively to other types of vehicles...I'm sure the twins will hold up for a while :)

All this talk about red needing specialized attention.... where did this come from? Seems like it needs as much or as little attention as most colors. I've never owned a Subaru / Toyota in red but three different manufacturers I have.


The only color I've ever owned that was a pain was black. I'll never do another black car. Ever.

I think red has the issue of fading more than other colors if always outside in the sun.

However i think that is for all colors.

I know many owners with Blue WRX/sti subaru and there paint is faded compared to mine which was always garage kept.

Hmmm, I (personally) never noticed any fading on my red vehicles, but I always tried to keep them garaged or covered as much as possible. All cars fade if left out in the elements.

Yeah agreed. I think the ones that look faded have spent all there life outside and never were waxed.

It's the nature of red pigments, they are on the weak end of the color spectrum. If you take something that's printed with lots of red ink and leave it in the sun, it will fade away much quicker than any other color. Honda's red car paint is notorious for fading quickly. Even the burgundy cars will turn brownish after a while.

If you want a car color that won't fade over time, get blue, silver or white. The clearcoat will fail before the color does.

Nerd speak: "Dyes and pigments work by absorbing certain wavelengths of light and reflecting or transmitting the rest. When a dye molecule absorbs a photon, an electron is excited to a higher energy state. Most of the time (neglecting fluorescence), the molecule de-excites by giving off heat and returns to the ground state intact. However, because the excited state is a high energy state, it has the potential to undergo a chemical reaction, breaking a covalent bond or otherwise irreversibly reacting with another molecule. This changes the electronic structure of the molecule which changes its absorption properties: e.g. many dyes that absorb visible light have large systems of conjugated double bonds and if these are broken, the absorbance can shift to much shorter wavelengths. How likely this kind of destructive chemistry is depends on the nature of the dye. Organic dyes tend to be more susceptible to photobleaching than things like quantum dots and inorganic pigments."