Praise to the car gods!!! hallelujah

thank you i enjoyed that! :)

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This is rice. The FR-S is definitely not rice.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...c/ce/Ricer.jpg

dude that is crazy! lol

Jesus!!!


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Its a rocketship!

Seems the fine young people of this forum are not familiar with the ricer phenomenon. If you want to see more, look in google images for "ricer". But don't blame me if it makes your eyes hurt :D

Exactly my thought too...The more they produce, the more generic copycrap will show up. Keep it simple and for the Enthusiast...

What are these "deals" you speak of? Do you work for a local Toyota/Scion dealership? Been waiting for my FRS for 2 months, if you can find one quick I'm all ears.

How do you get deals on any scion? Their pure pricing setup doesn't allow for any "deal" making


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Not to mention that (in some areas at least) they're marking way up grrrr...

I got mine at msrp x.x


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My thoughts exactly, have yet to find anyone willing to move off the "pure price". Especially as it pertains to this car, as rare as they are around here still they have no need to negotiate, someone will pay the asking price.

Solution: Make them give you MORE for your trade-in.

Oh yeah, and wait until the car isn't in insane demand as well.

Problem is they can't give you more then your car is worth or what they can sell it for. If they do and they get audited they're screwed


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Shop around, go end of the month when they are more desperate and plus take off the $299 iGlobal fee, you don't need it, that's what INS is for

No trade in involved in my deal, selling my car privately for that reason.

I wasn't complaining either, understand that if I want a high demand car I'm going to pay more than if they were sitting on every lot unsold. This part of the discussion started because someone mentioned "deals" on them and curiousity got the better of me. If you can't afford the car, don't buy it, simple as that.

Really off topic though I guess since has no real bearing on sales numbers.

Are there no BRZ October sales numbers?

Picked up mine MSRP,

Limited AT Pearl White

i agree! even though the car is loved for it's handling prowess
one has to be realistic,in that most of us drive on city streets,and straight highways to get to where we are going,so the car may "feel" great as a driver,however most of us don't really care about that. most care about dependability,reliability,and economy over time,and yes a vehicle's ability
haul people and cargo.this is why the car will always have a limited market.

Sales of both cars are down :(

Should have made it a Toyota with all the options (shameless sig thread plug, seriously, click it.) numbers would stay up. :bellyroll:

Yay ;) maybe when i go into the dealership later this month and get one, maybe there will be more options and some wiggle room on a deal. Plus being a new college grad:happyanim:

I wouldn't worry too much. Scion projected 10k-20k sales in the first year. At this rate, they'll hit their target easily (currently on pace for about 15k sales).

Compare that to a car like the S2000, which sold 7k units in its first full year of sales.

Is this FR-S/BRZ world wide?

I got a deal by not paying processing fee. That is also because I work at the dealership.:happyanim:

pthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :P :bonk:

US (maybe N. America but that isn't specified in the OP).

not to nitpick but the FR-S is only offered in the US/Canada so it can't be worldwide

I'm hoping for strong sales numbers so the chances of a sub 86 model and a flagship sports car will be more likely. Keep buying those FR-S FT86club :)

Yep. Numbers are "as intended". Neither Toyota or Subaru have any interest in selling any larger numbers (the Gunma plant cannot support them anyway).

Scion benefited from the return of younger buyers to the marketplace along with new products, posting November sales of 5,606 units, up 57.8 percent over November 2011. Sales of the recently introduced FR-S remain strong at 1,350 units.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...ember+2012.htm

The BRZ will hold the most value in the long term.

Do you guys think the FR-S/BRZ will ever be popular as a CIVIC or a TC? I HOPE to God that I won't see an FR-S/BRZ every minute while I'm driving. I like the feeling of having people turning their heads =P.

More popular than a Civic? Absolutely no chance. Outshining the Si on the other hand is certainly a possibility...especially considering how bad the current Si is.

I Tapped that

In which way will it hold the most value?

Maybe it's because I'm a sales guy but... This is my favorite thread! :)

Reasons: Real, perceived, or otherwise but all will have affect to some degree.

1: BRZ Limited are a higher trim. They will always command a higher resale price. Example: A Civic EX typically has a higher resale value than a DX. The BRZ Limited is like an EX while the Premium and the FRS are like a DX (same power/chassis/performance but different luxuries).

2: "But what's in a name". Just because you or I don't care what badge is on the car doesn't mean others think like this (have you met a BMW owner lately?:lol:). There's already been dozens of threads on this forum about how people are pissed off it's a Scion and not a Toyota. Unless the Scion brand image changes in the next 5 years the "nameplate" isn't as well recognized as Subaru's. It will play a part but I don't know how measurable a part.

3: Numbers. Things that are more rare are typically more valuable, except for Diamonds because they're not rare but they are a result of a global oligopolistic cartels. Rarity holds value. This will stand true over time.

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru (Edit: since the mid 1990's). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.


And back to your regularly scheduled program.

In this country anyway. There's been FWD Subarus overseas for decades.

I figured as much but didn't know the details. Thanks.

I understand what you mean but a lot of people don't care about any of those points and just want the car for the main reason it was made. A fun and cheap sports car. The FRS being roughly $2000 cheaper new will mean it's probably going be a cheaper used car.

IMO the the FRS and BRZ will hold a similar resale value compared to it's new price tag. No one knows 100% and they do it's bs.

#4 is quite the opposite. The BRZ is not the first non-AWD Subaru car, but it's the first non-FWD Scion ;)

I know a lot of people don't care but the people who do care will be the determining factor of the market resale value. That's the point I'm making. There are often things that have no tangible value other than what's perceived that affect resale value. Good, bad or indifferent. Like I said, how many "badge swaps" have you seen on FRS's vs BRZs? Exactly.

Same thing applies to houses. I hate big yards, yard work and Koi ponds or water features but guess what... They increase property value even though I hate them. And why is this, because the value isn't determined by me, it's determined by others in the market that value these things.

Very good point! I like this!



The other thing I'm looking forward to are the ricers... yes I said it... Ricers. I'm looking forward to the folks who put all kinds of stupid stuff in or on their cars to be unique or cool when in reality they've made it worse or ugly. This is great because it kills the resale value and when I'm in the market for a cheap FRS that I want to cage and turn into a race car that's what I'm looking for! Better yet, a riced out FRS with a salvage title... ooooohhhhh yeah. Also, for those of us who don't modify our cars, when we go to sell ours it will command a higher price because it's unmodified.

Oh god I wish I could get my hands on some of the Hurricane Sandy water damaged Toyobarus for cheap that'd be terrific!

but I digress... now back to your program.