Not for me..
Big dealers do discounts.
I got my '14 FRS Auto for 1.6k off 2,655 off MRSP, not including freight.. So including freight.. I got about 1.7k off MRSP.

They can probably get away with it in certain situations, I bet. Just as long as Scion doesn't find out.

My total discount was around 2800.00 with freight. It was last month and he said they wouldn't be discounting as much in March.

Not sure... They did claim they are the biggest mid Atlantic Toyota seller. :/

Thank you

PurePricing just means that they have to offer a certain spec car for a given price to everyone. In theory, they could list everything at MSRP, want to make the deal for you, and temporarily drop the price of a 6MT FR-S Monogram (for example) to what you guys want to agree upon. If another guy walked in the dealership and wanted to buy the same car at the exact same time, they'd supposedly have to offer him the same price. Either way, there is wiggle room if you are trading. You could agree to pay the MSRP but you want $2000 more for your trade than they initially offered to make the deal happen. Of course, a dealership, like the one in NOVA that I talked to, could just knock $1500 off all of their Scions and still be within Pure Pricing guidelines. They just have to advertise the same price to everyone on that spec of car. This is posted on the website of my local Scion dealer. "Scion's "Pure Price" purchase experience means no haggle, no hassle. The price you pay for all products and services offered equals the dealership's posted and advertised price. Price menus are clearly posted in the dealership showroom for all products and services. Dealers are free to set their own prices."

March 2014 numbers released. Both the FR-S and BRZ had good months.

FR-S: 1,464 units sold
BRZ: 857 units sold

http://pressroom.scion.com/releases/...ales+chart.htm
http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...est-month-ever

Is it bad that I get upset because the twins had a good month? :scared0016:

Its great to see sales of the FR-S up :)

Just for fun I compared sales of the Subaru BRZ to other new vehicles sold in the US during the year 2013.

1 BRZ for every 1814.62 vehicle sold in the US during 2013
1 BRZ for every 49.46 Subaru
1 BRZ for every 7.96 Scion
1 BRZ for every 2.13 FR-S

1 BRZ for every 220.55 Toyota
1 BRZ for every 47.57 Toyota Camry
1 BRZ for every 158.36 Honda
1 BRZ for every 42.7 Honda Accord

1 BRZ for every 9.38 Chevrolet Camaro
1 BRZ for every 8.99 Ford Mustang
1 BRZ for every 2.01 Chevrolet Corvette
1 BRZ for every 1.22 Porsche 911

1 BRZ for every 88.9 Ford F-Series
1 BRZ for every 27.32 Ford Focus
1 BRZ for every 18.11 Jeep Wrangler
1 BRZ for every 9.71 Dodge Dart
1 BRZ for every 8.95 Subaru Imprezza
1 BRZ for every 4.17 Fiat 500
1 BRZ for every 2.69 Chevrlot Volt
1 BRZ for every 2.63 Nissan Leaf

1 BRZ for every 0.23 Ferrari
1 BRZ for every 0.06 Lamborghini

I'm not sure year-on-year declines for both the BRZ (not too bad at -5%) and FR-S (-20%) would be considered good.

OTOH, I just noticed total US sales of the twins is now greater than '09+ calendar year US sales of the 370Z (which may include some 350Z's as well).
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

Twins: 47,969
370Z: 46,293

Pretty remarkable considering <2 full years vs ~5 years.

I probably started out with a different set of expectation than most since this is a niche sports car with limited practicality. If you look at the NC Miata, sales declined in each year following the first full year of sales. Same for the 370z. Those recent sports cars are probably more accurate comps than using traditional passenger cars or minivans.

If Toyota/Subaru expected sales to remain steady or increase in year-on-year monthly comparisons after the first year, I'd say that was an unrealistic expectation.

I'd also say that it would be an unrealistic expectation for Toyota to keep selling a car if it isn't profitable. Hope that's not the case here.

I can't wait to see April's sales numbers next week.

what are the sale numbers for 10 Series and Monogram so far?

I wouldn't think they're that great. Seeing as there are still plenty of 10 Series sitting at dealerships and the monograms just released. It seems Toyota/Subaru plan on releasing many different "limited edition" versions of the FR-S/BRZ in the future such as the upcoming RS. I was tempted to pick up a monogram instead of a base FR-S myself, but with a sticker price difference of nearly $4,000 when it's all said and done I opted not to. You can do a whole lot with $4,000 in aftermarket mods and cater them to what you want/need.

I believe these numbers are the total of cars that dealerships have purchased to sell, this does not account for cars sitting on the lot for months not selling, for that you would have to take inventory of every dealership that's received an FRS/BRZ, the people posting these numbers have no idea what sells faster when it's actually on the lot, they only know what the dealerships communicate to them and what they actually order which is reflected in these numbers.

Hell it's possible to have every car out of 1467 FRS from March still sitting on the lots unsold, it doesn't change Toyobaru's numbers. As such I believe every 10 series and Monogram has been accounted for in these numbers already as they are all either sold or sitting on lots at this point.

hopefully i can get this issue with my association sorted out soon cause im so ready to buy one. i was thinking about the monogram since its exactly how i want the car off the lot, but you do bring up a very good point @MokSpeed . My friend just told me a horror story about how his friend's car got stolen easily because of the push to start, so im leaning more towards a base now lol.

I've been wondering about how the Monogram series was selling. I just checked out the numbers on Cars.com to see how many were still for sale in the US. Here's what I found (4/29/2014):

516 new Monograms are currently listed for sale.

The breakdown for transmission types is:
281 automatic transmission
235 manual transmission

Breakdown by color:
112 Firestorm
78 Raven
64 Whiteout
52 Asphalt
50 Ultramarine
160 color not listed

April:

FRS: 1445 USA (slightly down from April 2013)
BRZ: 820 USA (slightly up from April 2013)

We are on Year #3 and the FRS has taken a slight dip year over year but still look pretty good.

Yep surprisingly sales are still strong, even 2 years post launch and entering year 3. Hopefully Nissan and (especially) Honda take note and work on their own lightweight RWD sports cars.

just looking at the numbers; looks like toyota will sale about around 16,000 FRS this year.

1,664 FR-S were sold in May of 2014.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...ales+chart.htm

^ more than 1,664 cars is a strong sale for import compact 2-door coupe for enthusiasts. How many Civic Si 2-door coupe and the MX-5 sale per month ?

May 2014 Sales

FR-S: 1,664
BRZ: 852
370Z: 927
Miata: 530

I think counts all Civic sales together. So it doesn't break down the sedan, coupe, Si, hybrid, and ect.

Relatively strong sales numbers for the Twins, even entering their third year of production now.

Nissan IDx Nismo, where are you? We need more competition.

and to think if these were made by GM or Ford they would have been canned due to lack of public interest...

not gonna lie, i would have bought it over my FR-S...

Comparisons for April:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/05...-2014-ytd.html

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/05...-2014-ytd.html

Agreed, if you pare it down to pure sports cars, only the muscle cars and Corvette are doing better. Since the sporty editions get rolled into the economy cars it's hard to tell where they stand (Focus/Fiesta ST, Abarth, Civic Si, Genesis etc.).

I have to admit (and you can go back a few pages and see) I did not expect them to maintain these sales numbers going into the second summer, it bodes well so far. And with no near term competition it seems like they're in it to maintain sales over the next 2 years.

On paper, similar performance, potentially a true Nissan 4-banger that harkens back to when they were on top of their shit, and styling that's a bit out there, I definitely would have been torn.

But Nissan doesn't have a decent 4-banger as far as I can tell, the V6 would be too much competition for the current Z and they've been off their game for over a decade, not sure even if they follow through that it will be as good as they promised.

Edit: Renault Megane has a Turbo 2.0L that puts out ~260hp, that could certainly be adequate.

Same here, I didn't expect FR-S/BRZ sales to stay this strong for this long. My guess is there were a lot of people who were thinking of buying this car, but had to wait (e.g., were on a lease, waiting for current car to die, etc.) I wonder how long that demand will last though. Will be interesting to see what Toyo/Sub do with the mid-year refresh to renew people's interest.

The styling is definitely out there on the IDx - only the Nismo version looks remotely appealing to me. But I will admit, if Nissan manages to get the next Z down under 3000 lbs, I would seriously buying it to replace the FR-S when the time comes.

Nissan are you listening? :)

the nissan motor would likely be the same as used in the Juke NISMO RS a 215hp turbo 1.6... that'd be fun. I just shot it with the Nismo GTR when they did the '15 NismoZ release a few weeks ago

http://roadconephoto.smugmug.com/ZDa...RCP2494-XL.jpg

Yes that was the proposal when it was touring the auto show circuit. For some reason I thought that motor was regarded as 'meh' but after finding a couple reviews it seems I was mistaken, maybe not legendary but above average for the segment. It could certainly be successful against the Toyobaru based on output figures alone.

Guess I need an excuse to drive one now to check it out before it's the next hot thing :bonk:

Would it be possible to update the first post to show Model Year runs? @Spaceywilly

Coming from a Nissan person, I agree with you. I purchased my FRS because of the styling, handling, and the fact that it's the only true sports coupe in this price range. If Nissan were to come out with a baby Z or even the IDX Nismo, I'd be happy with either as a replacement years down the road. Right now, I've been converted to the 86 Twins.

:w00t:

The twins are still holding close to their anticipated/projected annual sales, 20,000 for the FRS and 8000 for the BRZ per year. Over the first 2 years of sales the FRS is slightly less and the BRZ slightly over. That's still good sales numbers. This will help keep this car in production.

I wonder how the sales break down regionally.

One thing many discuss this and that to bring up many features to compare & Vs the twin .... but then forget about the main difference of the twin is the Boxer Flat-4 engine w/ COG at the knee high and behind the front axle. "The physically of the twin" make the twin is a very unique DNA that why it has different handling and balance car. So if car out there is not from Subaru or Porsche then it is hard to achieve this layout to compare to the feel of this car. It might be closed but it's not exactly ! Here is my few main essential features listed in order that was the reason I bought this car for DD compare to so many others on the market.

1) Boxer Flat-4 Low center gravity
2) New smooth curve body style & look
3) Precise weighted steering feel
4) Rear wheel drive ( Just pure sporty feel for me over other awd )
5) Light weight.

and CoG is still not as low as the Prius, right? Engine configuration is not everything.

You're conflating CG height (CG) and coefficient of drag (Cd).

FR-S has a lower CG height. Prius has a lower Cd.

^ At 18.1" is lower than many other combustion engine cars in this segment. Prius and many other hybrid cars have battery added to the layout which is a different class for comparison here. You can compare Prius to other hybrid cars.

Even with a battery pack (as you said, essentially low-mounted ballast), the Prius still has a higher CG height than the FR-S.

You can calculate this using the publicly available SSF figure of the Prius at 1.33.

SSF = track width / (2 * CG)

2005 Prius:
SSF = 1.33
track width = 58.8"
CG height = 22.1"

FR-S
CG height = 18.1"