More popular than a Civic? Absolutely no chance. Outshining the Si on the other hand is certainly a possibility...especially considering how bad the current Si is.

I Tapped that

In which way will it hold the most value?

Maybe it's because I'm a sales guy but... This is my favorite thread! :)

Reasons: Real, perceived, or otherwise but all will have affect to some degree.

1: BRZ Limited are a higher trim. They will always command a higher resale price. Example: A Civic EX typically has a higher resale value than a DX. The BRZ Limited is like an EX while the Premium and the FRS are like a DX (same power/chassis/performance but different luxuries).

2: "But what's in a name". Just because you or I don't care what badge is on the car doesn't mean others think like this (have you met a BMW owner lately?:lol:). There's already been dozens of threads on this forum about how people are pissed off it's a Scion and not a Toyota. Unless the Scion brand image changes in the next 5 years the "nameplate" isn't as well recognized as Subaru's. It will play a part but I don't know how measurable a part.

3: Numbers. Things that are more rare are typically more valuable, except for Diamonds because they're not rare but they are a result of a global oligopolistic cartels. Rarity holds value. This will stand true over time.

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru (Edit: since the mid 1990's). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.


And back to your regularly scheduled program.

In this country anyway. There's been FWD Subarus overseas for decades.

I figured as much but didn't know the details. Thanks.

I understand what you mean but a lot of people don't care about any of those points and just want the car for the main reason it was made. A fun and cheap sports car. The FRS being roughly $2000 cheaper new will mean it's probably going be a cheaper used car.

IMO the the FRS and BRZ will hold a similar resale value compared to it's new price tag. No one knows 100% and they do it's bs.

#4 is quite the opposite. The BRZ is not the first non-AWD Subaru car, but it's the first non-FWD Scion ;)

I know a lot of people don't care but the people who do care will be the determining factor of the market resale value. That's the point I'm making. There are often things that have no tangible value other than what's perceived that affect resale value. Good, bad or indifferent. Like I said, how many "badge swaps" have you seen on FRS's vs BRZs? Exactly.

Same thing applies to houses. I hate big yards, yard work and Koi ponds or water features but guess what... They increase property value even though I hate them. And why is this, because the value isn't determined by me, it's determined by others in the market that value these things.

Very good point! I like this!



The other thing I'm looking forward to are the ricers... yes I said it... Ricers. I'm looking forward to the folks who put all kinds of stupid stuff in or on their cars to be unique or cool when in reality they've made it worse or ugly. This is great because it kills the resale value and when I'm in the market for a cheap FRS that I want to cage and turn into a race car that's what I'm looking for! Better yet, a riced out FRS with a salvage title... ooooohhhhh yeah. Also, for those of us who don't modify our cars, when we go to sell ours it will command a higher price because it's unmodified.

Oh god I wish I could get my hands on some of the Hurricane Sandy water damaged Toyobarus for cheap that'd be terrific!

but I digress... now back to your program.

I remember when finding an NA gen Miata was easy and cheap. Now it's easy and expensive for what you're getting. Supras, ITRs, etc. same thing.

I think only time can tell what happens but I agree with what you're saying. HIDs, nicer seats, better badge. Well some might think Toyota>Subaru but I see what you mean. Like I said it's just IMO both will both resale value similarly. If anything I have a feeling the FRS will do better since the main thing right now is the FRS will probably be the lowest "base" model while more optioned/performance models like STI or TRD will come out, not to mention some minor model changes will occur. Then again all we're doing is speculating. Another point is who knows what reputation Subaru or Toyota will have in 10-20 years from now, maybe one of both will go out of business for all we know

It's like what OrbitalEllipses just said. I wanted a 2nd clean and cheap S2000 but it's getting hard finding one. Yeah for someone in your position I would hope some people will do stupid rice to kill resale value. I have noticed more FRS users are doing extreme or rice things more compared to BRZ users :D

But according to this article the public disagrees. The Scion TC was Named to Top 10 in 2013 Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value Awards.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/26/501...0-in-2013.html

Overall resale due to its current avaiability/demand if subaru keeps this up. Its the unicorn of the 2. fast forward 20 years, this model will be the hardest to find. Depending on how long production lasts.

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BRZ sales should see an uptick over the next 4 months (after which I'm assuming there will be a 2014 model)


http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/03/s...o-high-demand/