The drop in Boxster and Cayman sales is a bit shocking, given that the 2017 models are heavily revised. Who would have thought that tossing the flat 6 in favor of turbo 4s would hurt sales that much? :iono:


(Besides me :bellyroll: )

Really what the used market needs are folks that buy new every 2 (or 3 or 4) or better yet buy into leasing and I appreciate the folks that do that.

Me buying new or used doesn't help the used market one way or the other very much since I usually keep a car until they don't make parts for it any longer. No one wants one of my used cars. I treat them well, but when I get rid of one, its typically beyond reasonable repair.

I am not positive, but I am fairly sure the charts you posted don't distinguish fleet sales from personal sales. LARGE numbers of Challengers, Cameros, and Mustangs go to rental fleets and influence sales figures greatly. When was the last time use say a FRS/86/BRZ at Hertz, Avis, National, Enterprise, etc. Sure, some boutique rental agency probably rents one, but they don't buy thousands/tens of thousands of them.

Those were just the numbers for the first half of the year. It will be interesting to see what happens to the upper tier car sales as the interest rates keep climbing. They could tank or shoot up as people try to buy before the rates get too high.

It probably doesn't and the fleet sales could be reflected in the second half numbers. Even then many of the other cars showing a dramatic drop are also not fleet sales so on average the 86/BRZ are still way ahead.

My used cars are so used that the only person that they will make happy is the guy that picks it up at Joe's Used Car Emporium and Dinner for pennies on the normal value. They go straight to auction from the dealer since they just do not want to even attempt to sell such high mileage 4 or 5 year old cars. I am not contributing to the good used car pool at all.

Actually, I was implying that those cars may have had an even greater drop in sales; e.g. they are being inflated by the fleet sales.

Ahhhh yes it works that way as well.

I bought mine brand spanking new. To support the cause.

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They may struggle to sell 8600 units this year in the US market, but what if after development costs, manufacturing, warranty claims, and marketing they are profiting a couple grand per car?

Is it likely that the cost of development, aside from getting the car registered for everything, was so low that everything has been recouped at this point? Especially when you factor in global sales that have to be around something like 150-200,000 at this point.

It was the right thing to do. #voteWithYourWallet

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Add to this the fact that they are starting to use some of the tech developed for the BRZs in the other models and it shortens the payback even more. For example the new Impreza uses the same steering as the BRZ. No doubt we will see further use as they update other models to the new platform.

Nov sales in the US are 256 BRZs and 456 86s. For the heck of it I tried some curve-fitting. The combined sales of the twins roughly follows exponential decay with a half-life of a little over 3 years (every 3 years or so the number of units sold drops by 1/2). It's interesting that the new Miata sales are about the same as the twins.