What the hell is a Buick Cascada?

Here yah go....never heard of it as well.... :iono:

It is not a sports car... like a lot of the other cars on that list.


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Opel Cascada : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Cascada

If these are the contenders, I have no regrets, I would pick my FR-S again. I agree with this article; Toyota and Subaru dealers are not interested in selling twins over their other models. My Toyota dealer had nothing good to say about the FR-S I bought from them other than its good looks. The salesman even said it was just a good "weekend" car. But I was not windows shopping; I knew what I wanted. After buying FR-S, driving any other car has become just a chore for me.

I had to go do a different state just to test drive one..

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My dealer says the same. It is a "weekend" car. By the way, I didn't comment anything when posting the sales figures. I would also pick my BRZ again, but it looks that we are a minority.

I'm using mine as a daily but I'd prefer it as a weekend car, especially in the winter.

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Happily so! :happyanim:

I think 86/BRZ is aesthetically and technically one of the most significant cars designed in the last several decades. I am considering myself so lucky to own and to be able to afford one.

why? Get a good set of winter tires and you will never want to drive anything else in the snow. All the stuff we love about driving it in the dry makes it excellent at driving it in snow and ice with a great set of winter tires.

It's not that I can't or that it won't be good so much as I would rather keep it clean from the road salt and whatnot and just buy some AWD winter beater to abuse I guess. I leave for the Caribbean soon anyway in so she'll be garaged for part of the winter anyhow though which is why I haven't really worried about it too much. (My car before this was a lifted turbo WRX so yeah I miss it when it's anything but sunny out)

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Don't disagree with any of that - but my point is that Toyota may not sell the volume of 86s they plan to with its new higher price and now less attractive look relative to the BRZ.

World-wide, if 86s start to sit around for many weeks on dealer lots the inevitable discounting will make Toyota think carefully about offering future versions. And there's obviously some point below which (for a given sales price) sales cannot dip if unit profitability is to be maintained, this is is no halo car for Toyota that might justify sustained losses - the new Supra will assume that role.

The disproportionate dealer ratio you mention should not be much of a constraint on BRZ sales in urban areas where 80% of the population is based, and where the average resident is within 1/2 an hour or so of a Subaru dealer - but it could be an issue out in the rural areas. Even with the 2016s, despite having 5 times the number of dealerships here (if your claim is correct), Toyota/Scion had only 50-100% more twin sales by month than Subaru recently.

The three Subie dealers I have dealt with in the GTA have seemed more than eager to sell me a BRZ; this notion that Subaru dealerships don't care about selling BRZs seems apocryphal and unsubstantiated. Of course neither company does much to advertise the car.

Yes, if cars start to sit at dealers the whole picture changes. That is exactly what I have said all along. The whole look thing is subjective and wether you or I don't like it is meaningless. The general public may love the new look and the cars could fly off the shelf. That remains to be seen.

When I say that Subaru isn't all that interested I am talking at a corporate level not the individual dealerships. How many BRZ ads have you ever seen? I know that my answer to that is a big fat zero. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. They have never pushed the car but the rest of their entire line up shows up everyplace I look. I know that this is a fan forum so the concept that everybody that buys one isn't an enthusiast seems odd but more of these cars are bought by Joe or Jill public that fell across it at a dealer than those that followed it. That is simply the way things go. I am a great example of that since although I read something about the car back in 2010 I never followed it. The car I own is literally the first one I ever saw in pictures or real life. This is how most of these cars were bought not by the fanboy that followed it through development and production. Taking that thought into account if Scion sold as many as they did with their very small dealer base then Toyota should easily surpass that. Subaru will still take a back seat since they just won't have as many middle aged housewives walking onto a lot and saying "Oh that is cute. I love that colour" and that is how way more cars are sold.

^ I thought every Canadian Toyota dealer had its own Scion corner- if that's not the case then having the 86 in many more dealerships will drive those impulse/conversion sales numbers up, no doubt about it.

The loss of the FR-S price advantage will have some negative impact on 86 volume, hard to know how much. As to looks, seems the majority here see the refresh as a step backward on the Toyota side only. (If there was a poll on this, I missed it.) Does this reflect the view of the larger car-buying public? Hard to know but seems plausible - there is a general disdain for weirdly shaped front grill openings (e.g. see: Lexus).

Subaru did run a few TV spots a few years ago, but nothing lately. Toyota's been no better though.